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Old Posted Dec 17, 2014, 4:38 AM
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2014, 9:43 PM
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Thanks Vashon! Luma slipped in to the downtown thread.

Again, should the two threads merge into one or should we change "Seattle | Downtown" to "Seattle | Highrise"?
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I like that. It's more clear.

We're also inconsistent about heights. Maybe it should be 100' or 160', the latter being roughly equal to a 12-story office or 16-story residential, with hotels being in the middle depending whether their bases have tall floor-to-floor heights.
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2014, 1:18 AM
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Which that? I'm not an administrator so we'll be asking someone else to make the change, whatever it is.
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2014, 4:13 AM
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2014, 4:51 AM
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Which that? I'm not an administrator so we'll be asking someone else to make the change, whatever it is.
I like your idea about a highrise thread and a non-highrise thread, and also having a height standard.
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I like your idea about a highrise thread and a non-highrise thread, and also having a height standard.
I would like to have a DT forum like this one has been all along. I think I probably differ philosophically from you and mSeattle.

I am not sure where others like Vashon stand who post on this forum but my suggestion is to either create a new DT forum and you all change the name of this forum to something to do with Seattle hi rises and lo rises, or visa versa.......leave this one as the DT forum and create two new forums that have to do exclusively with Seattle bldg hts.

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Old Posted Dec 18, 2014, 7:09 PM
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There are a few different ideas of what is "downtown". Some include Belltown but not Lower Queen Anne or the south slope or west Capitol Hill. And if those are downtown, then why not First Hill and the west Central District? Should only part of the SODO area be part of downtown or should all of it, down to the West Seattle Freeway be part of downtown? If so, why not Beacon Hill? What street is the cut-off?

I like the height division (say 12 floors) because it avoids the moving target of what is "downtown".

I don't think we need to have more than two threads as we're not NYC or LA. Houston sprawls to the size of a small state but has just one thread.

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All we need is a clear dividing line between the two threads, whether that's based on geography or height.

The "Seattle Heights" map might be closest to reality, but as long as we're reasonably consistent it doesn't matter that much.
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I thought "compilation" threads were for all developments regardless of height?
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You can have different compilations (location, height...). A single thread would be a complication of everything in the proper city limit. You can have a "city center" or downtown and adjoining neighborhood thread and then a thread about other areas outside of the city center.

I prefer something like a 15 or 20-floor (or higher) mark if a height break is chosen, but I'm open to 12. Something rounded to the next "5".
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mSeattle, we can do this thing with the maps all day long:



When this discussion came and you were proposing changes a few months ago.....maybe a year ago, I did think that the International District and First Hill should be included in DT along with SLU but you were so adamant I backed off.

But at this point, I am more curious as to why you want to change things again. As pointed out, this is a compilation forum. Why does it have to be exclusively about the height of the bldgs? So what is it about this forum that makes you unhappy?
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You can have different compilations (location, height...). A single thread would be a complication of everything in the proper city limit. You can have a "city center" or downtown and adjoining neighborhood thread and then a thread about other areas outside of the city center.

I prefer something like a 15 or 20-floor (or higher) mark if a height break is chosen, but I'm open to 12. Something rounded to the next "5".
Relative to neighborhoods, if there is that much development within the respective neighborhood, then it makes sense. If we are just talking about height, that is why there is forum for highrise, supertall and general development. Doesn't make sense to recreate the wheel when it already exist. That is my understanding and humble opinion.
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mSeattle, we can do this thing with the maps all day long:

When this discussion came and you were proposing changes a few months ago.....maybe a year ago, I did think that the International District and First Hill should be included in DT along with SLU but you were so adamant I backed off.

But at this point, I am more curious as to why you want to change things again. As pointed out, this is a compilation forum. Why does it have to be exclusively about the height of the bldgs? So what is it about this forum that makes you unhappy?
I included the maps to show that "downtown" is somewhat amorphous. There's a place that carries the name but the boundary can differ. Central City or City Center can differ as well. Capitol Hill/First Hill/SLU are not called "Downtown". It is almost always distinguished as being different from "Downtown". This thread says "Seattle | Downtown..." That's why I created the "Seattle City..." thread to compile projects for everywhere else.

However, if other areas that are not named "Downtown" are somehow also "Downtown" then I suggest having them in the "Downtown" thread. You just have to decide which side of the street will be included and which will not.

If we want to compile tall and short for the entire city limit proper, then that's fine too. We can just remove "Downtown" from the thread title and have the two threads merged. I guess I'm saying that it seems less clunky to have a height division than a geographic division if was keep two threads.
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Relative to neighborhoods, if there is that much development within the respective neighborhood, then it makes sense. If we are just talking about height, that is why there is forum for highrise, supertall and general development. Doesn't make sense to recreate the wheel when it already exist. That is my understanding and humble opinion.
There a TONE of construction happening in the City of Seattle outside of Downtown. We don't really use the Highrise Proposed section and you must have (and wait for) a moderator move the thread from proposed to under construction. In both cases, there is no compilation/cohesion, just individual projects.
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First Hill and much of Pike/Pine are at least as much "Downtown" as much of Belltown, any of SLU, the stadiums, etc.
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I included the maps to show that "downtown" is somewhat amorphous. There's a place that carries the name but the boundary can differ. Central City or City Center can differ as well. Capitol Hill/First Hill/SLU are not called "Downtown". It is almost always distinguished as being different from "Downtown". This thread says "Seattle | Downtown..." That's why I created the "Seattle City..." thread to compile projects for everywhere else.

However, if other areas that are not named "Downtown" are somehow also "Downtown" then I suggest having them in the "Downtown" thread. You just have to decide which side of the street will be included and which will not.

If we want to compile tall and short for the entire city limit proper, then that's fine too. We can just remove "Downtown" from the thread title and have the two threads merged. I guess I'm saying that it seems less clunky to have a height division than a geographic division if was keep two threads.
There seems to be two things going on here. First, Downtown Seattle is growing.....it may seem amorphous to you but that's the nature of an area that's expanding. The Downtown Seattle Association, the PS Business Journal and the Chamber all treat SLU as if its part of DT. Going back to this forum's inception, SLU projects have been posted on this forum......a de facto acceptance of SLU's role in DT. The placement if Amazon's headquarters nearly midway between SLU and the retail core has strengthened that perspective.

When you proposed setting up a separate forum for the rest of the city, I said back then I felt SLU was part of DT but I also made clear that if there was overlap, that's okay too. If SLU projects are posted in both forums, how does it hurt anyone? I also believed there was enough construction going in Seattle that two forums were justified. That is typical of most cities in SSP seeing heavy development right now. And if its about the name........let's make clear this is the DT Seattle forum as opposed to the Seattle [rest of city] forum.

The second issue you've raised which I don't understand is your wanting to make distinctions in height. Its my understanding that compilation forums can include bldgs. of all heights in the discussion and that's the way this forum has been since the getgo. As Shakman points out, a forum already exists for highrise, supertall and general development. Why do you think there is a need to change the current arrangement?
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You can have different compilations (location, height...). A single thread would be a complication of everything in the proper city limit. You can have a "city center" or downtown and adjoining neighborhood thread and then a thread about other areas outside of the city center.

I prefer something like a 15 or 20-floor (or higher) mark if a height break is chosen, but I'm open to 12. Something rounded to the next "5".
I think you should do something like the NYC threads. One thread for high rises (covers the whole metro) and one for structures below 12 floors (same thing, whole metro). This way, it keeps things organized. Possibly using these threads for the whole metro since lots of development is occurring outside of the city itself?

IDK I think that would work, and could showcase and keep track of the projects. Even with Bellevue; since its an integral part of the metro.

Considering this thread is from 2005, maybe its time for this to be archive and a new thread created showcasing all of the projects?
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