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Are we now done with throwing insults at each other?
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There's was only ever one person in the conversation throwing personal insults....and it wasn't me.
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Where have I said that I support western separation? What I've tried to do is try to explain the mindset of many rural residents to people on this forum who tilt extremely hard to urban views of what this country should be like.
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Never said you support "western separation". What I'm calling out here is this bullshit narrative that the west should be sooooo aggrieved that the ROC didn't vote in their favourite political party.
It's amazing how we need to understand the mindset of rural residents, but apparently we shouldn't expect the courtesy to be extended the other direction. I understand the rural mindset quite well actually. I don't agree with all of it. And I find that's what gets most rural residents so butthurt: when you call out their hypocrisy.
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I in fact voted for NDP in my urban Ottawa riding to try to knock off a Liberal MP.
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And I voted blue in a safe red riding, mostly because I wasn't down for endorsing Trudeau's conduct on l'affair Norman and l'affair JWR, but also because I wasn't happy about $20+ billion deficits being normalized. And yet, I am not all that aggrieved that Conservatives lost. And I fully understand why a party that is completely out of touch with the majority of the country underperformed. Yet, you have westerners who think the rest of the country is fucked, and not their favourite party. Why should we be sympathetic to the snowflake viewpoint?
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I'm very disappointed that the current Conservative Leadership so shit the bed in this election. They definitely need a reset.
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My issue here is that I fully know and understand there will be no reset as long as the party is Alberta's bitch. I want them to be Canada's conservative party. But we both know that's not going to happen as long as the Alberta Reformist wing is dominant.
Look at how they treated Michael Chong during the leadership contest. Anybody think this is a party that will come around on issues like Climate Change?
They are so wrapped up in their irrational Western hatred of the Trudeau brand, that they legitimately believed the rest of the country shared it. They ran against Trudeau himself in 2015. Didn't work. Doubled down on that in 2019. Maybe they'll run against Trudeau's socks in 2022?
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I have issues with the Carbon tax that even though we'll be getting rebates, companies will be passing on costs to the consumer and it may be a wash. But it may be the only way for us to reduce our footprint.
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Here's the thing. The Conservatives would have had some credibility if they legitimately presented an alternative. They didn't. They handwaved away the problem. Said they were going to regulate big emitters (no mention of standards or targets) and said they were going to sell China natural gas to cut emissions. It's all BS and Canadians saw right through it.
Scheer would be picking his cabinet right now if all he did was said he'd keep the carbon tax at $20/tonne. Instead, the Western base thinks the carbon tax is bad, so the rest of Canada must fall in line. This is the CPC though process.
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Rural Canada is still part of Canada. Their votes are just as important as urban and suburban votes.
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Nobody has ever said their votes are less important. But democracy means that you must convince other citizens that your issues or proposed solutions are in their interest. Just because they think climate change isn't important or that carbon pricing is not a tool to address the problem, does not mean that should be policy, if other citizens don't agree with them.
This is the bullshit I am calling out. Equal vote does not mean the government adopts all your suggestions.
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Building walls and throwing insults at each other do nothing to strengthen the confederation. That goes for Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Green, urban, rural, and every other movement in Canada.
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Yeah no. The way I see it, Kenney, Moe and Scheer have done a fuck ton more to divide Canada this election than even the Bloc. Canada is just lucky that Trudeau isn't as petty as them.
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