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NYguy, thanks for the pic of when Ewalk was u/c

Does anyone have pics of what used to exist on the sites of all the new Times Square towers? Seeing as I was preteen when it all started, I have no idea. I see a couple buildings that the Westin replaced though. Very interesting.
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^ On that corner specifically, just a mumbo jumbo of dilapidated one or two story stores. It was a mess.
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I've always liked it. Even the 'crumpled box' along 42nd Street has grown on me.
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I didn't care for it at first but it's really grown on me with every photo I see of it.
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Love it. It's not your typical clear glass box and it demands attention. While the base would look better, IMO, if it were the same as the glass portion of the tower, it all fits together fairly well.
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The base is rediculous. Why would they use normal trailer park window frames? Why would they arrange the windows like that? Why is it so big? Why are the colors so ugly? the list goes on.
Read the post two above yours
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okay okay it's not the base. I just thought they rose at about the same time and assumed they were together. But, whatever that building is its absolutely hideous. Is it part of the hotel?

The Westin skyscraper is, on the otherhand, a very interesting building. I would prefer a uniform color, but the shape is quite graceful.
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NYguy, thanks for the pic of when Ewalk was u/c

Does anyone have pics of what used to exist on the sites of all the new Times Square towers? Seeing as I was preteen when it all started, I have no idea. I see a couple buildings that the Westin replaced though. Very interesting.
I can't even remember what was on that corner. I know there was a parking lot accross the street (site of the planned 11 Times Square). That intersection had to distinction of having the highest concentrated number of crimes in Manhattan (or something like that). There were more theaters on 42nd.
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About the hotel being seperate from E-walk, they're really interconnected.
You can go from the theater to the hotel, etc. It's all the same complex.

The main hotel entrance isn't on 42nd though. In these photos, you see the
Hotel entrance on 43rd, and the 42nd Street side...

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The avant-garde architecture of the Westin New York at Times Square is just one of the features designed to make the new hotel Manhattan's finest.



Enhanced by a 355-foot-long, curved 'Beam of Light' "the Westin New York is destined to become a landmark in a city known for efficiency, glamour and drama," says David Sargeant, director of sales and marketing for the hotel.

The 45-storey tower sits beside the E-Walk entertainment complex, also owned by developer's Tishman affiliates.

Designed by the Miami-based Arquitectonica, the tower will have a dramatic visual impact across Times Square both day and night, with a complex, colourful glass panelling facade complemented by a huge light display that curves across the entirety of the structure.

Beginning inside the hotel's multi-storey atrium, the recessed beam runs up the entire exterior of the 42nd Street façade, creating a huge arc of light that fires up in to the night sky.

Yet the drama of the façade hides a considerable engineering story as well. Connecting the 45-storey tower to the existing E-Walk left the structural engineers with a tricky problem.

Part of the hotel is contained in an eight-storey 'bustle' above E-Walk, which connects directly through to the tower.

Potential differences in the way the buildings would react to either wind or earthquakes required a system able to deal with the conflicting forces.

A typical response to this problem would be to use expansion joints between the buildings.

However, due to the levels of maintenance required, and the likelihood of leaks occurring where the joints enter the building, construction manager Tishman decided to use a different system.

A seismic isolater, used more typically to dampen earthquake loads in buildings, has been installed.

This allows free movement in any horizontal direction, with no extra load vertically. The gravity load is therefore taken by the E-Walk building below, while any horizontal pressure is resisted by the Westin tower.

In addition, a one-storey steel truss has also been used to overcome the differential in column placing between the bustle and the E-Walk building.

The colourful façade of the Westin is the result of a major international effort, the most complex any of the contributors have undertaken.

The curtain wall project, using more than 1,000 permutations of curtain wall panels and intricate patterns of coloured glass has few rivals in terms of complexity and sophistication.

The 184,000 square feet of curtain wall consists of some 4,500 panels, with almost 1,000 panel permutations among the various shapes, connection devices, colours, and sizes of both frames and glass.

It took over eight months simply to choose the colours of the glass - which are intended to reflect the meeting of earth and sky.

Ten base colours, copper, gold, bronze, orange, white, silver, violet, green, blue, and aqua highlights are used to create the complex pattern.


The glass panels were tested in Italy for thermal and windload performance.

The entire curtain wall is designed to withstand windloads based on a 100-year cycle, including hurricane-force winds.

To ensure that each of the thousands of elements would fit together perfectly a bar coding system was used to track each item, and match them up at the end of the process.

Each component of each system is marked with a bar code, which identifies which panel it pertains to.

When the completed glass panels were sent to New York, these bar codes were marked on each crate, so that on arrival the fabrication team could identify exactly where in the wall each piece goes.

The panels are attached to the superstructure frame on anchor plates. Prior to pouring the concrete structural floor slabs, crews embedded Halphen channels at each floor.

Anchor plates were then bolted on to the channels, and set to the correct elevation for each set of panels. The panels were set onto clips attached to the anchor plates.

The final installation was relatively simple. Each panel is connected by one bolt and one bracket on each side of the panel. The panels themselves interlock by means of a male-female joint, allowing for movement and expansion of the structure.

The installation also allowed for open spaces in the façade for hoist tower ramps on each floor, used for loading of materials and personnel.

The overall lighting effect is a considerable technical accomplishment. Different lighting technologies from landscaping, sports, concerts, and theatre design disciplines were fused into an incomparable architectural lighting system.

The Beam of Light was created through a collaboration of the hotel's architect Arquitectonica, lighting designer Brandston Partnership Inc., and owner/developer Tishman Realty & Construction Co., Inc.

A total of 466 miniature halogen lights are integrated into the building's façade and into the atrium's wall, inside an arched, recessed 'split'.

The lights are grouped into individually controlled modules of twelve fixtures and create dynamic visual effects that run the height of the hotel.

A 65-foot-long strip of the beam, consisting of 96 halogen lights, is featured inside the atrium, along one of its eight-storey-high walls. The total length of the beam, from the atrium's floor to the hotel tower's crown, is 355 feet.

The design team devised innovative ways to use standard components to create the custom lighting effects.

Hidden within the building's curtain wall, weatherproof channels run power to low-voltage, 50-Watt, 24(beam halogen lights located every nine inches along one side of the beam's arch.

For ease and safety of installation, the electricians assembled and pre-tested the fixtures off-site, as part of the curtain wall pre-fabrication process. The off-site assembly assured a safe and waterproof installation.

To reduce and ease maintenance, the team utilised 10,000-hour lamps, which are more than twice as long-lived as the industry standard.

The lamps are accessible from the building's window washing equipment.

At the roof, the arched light form is launched beyond the physical bounds of the structure with pulsing spotlights projecting into the sky.

The lighting system on the tower's roof combines two fixture types from different lighting disciplines to create a spectacular display.

Seven metal halide 400-Watt GE Powerspot floodlights, which are commonly used at sports fields, were fitted with mechanical Wybron Total Eclipse dowsers to control the frequency of pulsation and the intensity of light.


A single xenon 4000-Watt Space Canon Color Art 2000 fixture, often found at major outdoor rock music concerts, utilizes its full range of theatrical capabilities, including a high-speed strobe, to pulse and punch light into the Times Square night.

Reflective panels, installed on the roof's angled structure above the light fixtures, strengthen the Beam of Light, dramatically framing the roof's sloped form against the night sky.

A hybrid architectural and theatrical lighting control system, including a Lutron Grafik Eye 6000, controls and coordinates both the façade and the rooftop displays.

It has 56 separate control zones utilising architectural switching, dimming, and theatrical DMX controls, which direct all the different parts and key the visual effects. All controls and power supplies are located within the building.

The official opening of the Westin took place in October, and the public officials were unstinting in their praise for the US$300 million property.

"I share with countless New Yorkers the excitement that another beautiful landmark building has opened in Times Square, demonstrating to the world that the revitalisation of this area continues," said New York Governer George Pataki.

"I am particularly proud that this hotel has been developed by a born and bred New York company, Tishman Realty and Construction, which has been helping to build our skyline for more than 100 years."

Mayor Bloomberg added: "The project has already had a significant positive impact on both the City and State of New York, having created approximately 2,000 construction jobs, and now it will provide 600 permanent jobs.

"We hope that visitors and business travellers alike will return again and again, and most importantly enjoy their stay at these grand accommodations in the heart of midtown."

Tishman Construction were equally proud of the building they have spent two and half years on.

"With its striking design and dramatic lighting, it is certain to become a New York icon, and will attract visitors and business travellers from all over the world," said chairman John Tishman.

"The Westin New York exemplifies our desire to provide striking architecture, inspiring interiors, and the most comfortable accommodations to visitors, tourists and business people visiting the visually stimulating world of Times Square.

"I am confident that people will come from all over the world to see this crowning accent to the renaissance of the Times Square district."

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Commercial Property; The Bustle of 42nd Street, Architecturally Speaking

By JOHN HOLUSHA
December 3, 2000


THE redevelopment of 42nd Street between Seventh and Eighth Avenues has required some unusual structural engineering. Although not immediately obvious to the public, innovative approaches have produced buildings not quite like anything else in the city.

Both the E Walk retail and entertainment complex on the north side of 42nd Street at Eighth Avenue and the Forest City Ratner development almost directly across the street have movie theaters on the upper floors of the base structures.

Since people watching films do not like to peer around columns, both structures had to be built without the regular pattern of columns that support most office and apartment buildings. And they were built with stadium-style seating, which means the rows in the back are much higher than in a typical movie theater.

This produced large empty volumes of space, and engineers compensated by putting massive steel columns in the walls of the buildings. This design problem notwithstanding, Forest City Ratner put the 444-room, 60 million pound Hilton Times Square hotel on top of its building, which also incorporates the historic Liberty Theater, an even more fragile empty space.

Now, various affiliates of the Tishman Realty and Construction Company are building an 858-room Westin hotel on the site along Eighth Avenue between the back of E Walk and 43rd Street. As part of that project, they are planning to build a portion of the hotel on top of the E Walk structure, which raises some more technical puzzlers.

The first is how to join the hotel, which will be made of reinforced concrete, to the steel-framed E Walk building. The second is how to allow movement of the 532-foot-tall main tower, which is likely to sway more in the wind or in an earthquake, without damaging the 100-foot-tall E Walk building.

The section of the hotel that will be perched on top of E Walk is known to project insiders as ''the bustle'' and does have a certain resemblance to that archaic piece of women's fashion. The eight-story, 100-room building was originally planned as a separate boutique hotel when the Walt Disney Company was considering the project. It has since been incorporated into the main structure of the hotel, which will be managed by Westin but owned by Tishman.

The hotel, which is due to open in the fall of 2002, will have an internal connection to E Walk and entrances on both 42nd and 43rd Streets. It will include 34 suites, including two presidential suites; 24,000 square feet of meeting space; and business and fitness centers. The design is by Arquitectonica of Miami, and the main part of the hotel is intended to look like two 45-story prisms, separated by a beam of light.

''It was originally thought of as three separate buildings,'' said Allan M. Paull, Tishman's chief structural engineer for the $300 million hotel project. But because buildings do sway in the wind and because New York building codes now require designers to prepare for earthquakes, the buildings would have to be spaced away from each other, with expansion joints between them.

The problem with expansion joints, he explained, is that they tend to leak in downpours and cause maintenance problems. ''We wanted to avoid expansion joints if we could,'' he said.

The answer was to join the bustle rigidly to the main hotel and employ some West Coast earthquake technology to handle the differential movement of the two buildings.


Mr. Paull said Tishman engineers and their consultants have been doing design adaptations since the company won the right to develop E Walk. At the outset, it was not even known that there would be theaters -- and theaters that vary considerably in size -- on the upper floors of the building.

As a result, the building has an uneven pattern of interior walls. Since it was not possible to simply hang the 17.2 million pound bustle from the side of the main hotel -- engineers say cantilever -- the E Walk building had to support the weight.

SINCE the hotel was part of the plan for the location -- although not finalized or financed -- E Walk's designers extended the main vertical support columns 18 inches above the roof to attach to whatever was built later. The concrete roof slab is 9 inches thick -- to insulate moviegoers below from the noise and vibration of the air-conditioning and other machinery mounted on the roof -- but it has no structural role in supporting the bustle.

Mr. Paull explained that hotels and apartment buildings are usually made of reinforced concrete rather than steel because the use of concrete allows a developer to cram more floors within the allowable height of a building. Because the bottom of one concrete slab is the ceiling of the floor below, slab-to-slab spacing is shorter than it would be for a steel-framed structure.
However, he said, steel is preferable for the long spans required for the movie theaters, despite the need to hang ceilings.

To join the concrete columns of the bustle to the E Walk structure, the engineers devised a system of 13 steel trusses. Because of the irregular spacing of the E Walk's steel support columns, each truss was of a different size.

Between the trusses and the E Walk columns, 18 rubber and steel isolator pads have been installed that will allow the hotel and bustle to move, without disturbing the building below. In engineering terms, E Walk is supporting the weight or ''dead load'' of the bustle, while the main hotel building is absorbing wind or earthquake induced movements, or the ''live load.''

''We thought it was a novel approach,'' Mr. Paull said.

Gregory Lawson, an executive with Dynamic Isolation Systems of Reno, Nev., the supplier of the pads, said they were designed to support a lot of weight vertically, but to move horizontally, with relatively little force. He said they are a sandwich of as many as 25 layers of round steel plates one-eighth inch thick and rubber three-eighths of an inch thick.

They come in different sizes depending on the amount of load being supported. The smaller isolators at the Tishman project weigh about 2,000 pounds, with the larger size weighing in at 8,000 pounds.

He said mounting the pads 100 feet above the sidewalk is an ''unusual installation. ''Usually they go at the bottom of a building or a bridge, so if there is an earthquake, the bearing moves and the building stays intact,'' he said. The installation, he said, was analogous to the suspension of an automobile, which allows the axles of the car to move up and down in response to bumps and potholes, while shielding the passengers from most of the vibration.

Engineers say they expect the lower portion of the hotel to move up to 4 inches if there are heavy winds or if the ground starts shaking and as much as 14 inches at the top. They note that the World Trade Center moves as much as 2 feet at the top but say that occupants often do not notice the movement because it is slow and in one direction, rather than a back-and-forth swaying.

The trusses are 11 feet high and are placed at the eighth floor of the main hotel structure. Since office space in New York is expensive, the trusses will be outfitted with floors, ceilings and walls and will be used for the offices of the hotel.

This ultimate use complicated the design as well, since office space that followed the outlines of the beams and trusses would have been very odd indeed. ''We had to modify the design,'' Mr. Paull said, so that the offices would not have sloping walls or triangular doors.
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I can't even remember what was on that corner.
This should refresh your memories.

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i think its design is bold and breaks new ground. however, i personally can't stand its mixture of different colors and shapes. what a monstrosity it looks good at night because u can't see its aweful cladding, imho. can the design of its lower levels get any more gawdy???!!!
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WOW, I'm shocked so many like this building. I stay there all the time and can't stand to look at the outside. That said, the inside is very tasteful and doesn't seem to be at all in keeping with the exterior. Seems more fitting for Dubai than NYC.

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Seems more fitting for Dubai than NYC.
Perhaps. But it's very fitting for that part of Manhattan..
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Guess what, many guys at SOM hate this one. Any surprise here?

I pretty much like this one, though. Kitchy enough to fit at Times Square and to extend it further, which is not a bad thing by any means. By now it has become a classic in the area. I remember thinking it's way too futuristic for New York when I first saw its proposals though.
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