Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Winnipeg has 2 homicides so far and at this rate their will be 24 homicides at the end of the year

Still only about 3 per 100k. Crazy to think that in a similarly sized US city with a problem with racism and poverty, that number would be 20 now and 240 by year's end.

[Cre47]

Looks like Quebec City got its first today

In French:

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/fai...02-094028.html

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

Still only about 3 per 100k. Crazy to think that in a similarly sized US city with a problem with racism and poverty, that number would be 20 now and 240 by year's end.

Really that reference to the u.s is a little extreme and if you could find a city like that then reply to my quote

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Really that reference to the u.s is a little extreme and if you could find a city like that then reply to my quote

It is very extreme unfortunately. I'll give you a couple examples, but there are many many more. US core cities.of their metros aren't as celebrated as they are in Canada as you're about to see. The common theme in all these cities is low income and a history of racism.

Wilmington, Delaware, population 71,000, 27 murders in 2010 for a rate about 30 per 100k. That a city a tenth the size of Winnipeg with the same number of annual homicides. Median income for a family is $37,352.

Detroit, Michigan (city proper, not metro), I don 't meed to convince you of the history of racism as it should be common knowledge. Population: 681,900, Murders: 333 (in 2013), Rate: 49 per 100k

New Orleans, Louisiana (city proper not metro), huge white flight lost half their population since 1950s. Population 360,000, murder rate 56 per 100k, 214 murders.

Kansas City, Missouri, 464,000 people (city proper), huge population loss after massive white flight. 106 murders last year for a rate of 23 per 100k.

Cleveland, Ohio, 390,000 people (city proper), 84 murders last year, rate of 22 per 100k. White flight has caused over 60% loss in their population. Median income for a household is $27k per year.

There are far more cities like this too, unfortunately. The main difference betwwen murders there and here is that ours.are.most domestic.disputes, theirs are mostly due to gang violence. South Africa has a murder rate of about 35/100k, but there random violence is very common, so you always feel like you're in danger. Even in the States random.violence is relatively uncommon, murders are committed by people who know each other.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

It is very extreme unfortunately. I'll give you a couple examples, but there are many many more. US core cities.of their metros aren't as celebrated as they are in Canada as you're about to see. The common theme in all these cities is low income and a history of racism.

Wilmington, Delaware, population 71,000, 27 murders in 2010 for a rate about 30 per 100k. That a city a tenth the size of Winnipeg with the same number of annual homicides. Median income for a family is $37,352.

Detroit, Michigan (city proper, not metro), I don 't meed to convince you of the history of racism as it should be common knowledge. Population: 681,900, Murders: 333 (in 2013), Rate: 49 per 100k

New Orleans, Louisiana (city proper not metro), huge white flight lost half their population since 1950s. Population 360,000, murder rate 56 per 100k, 214 murders.

Kansas City, Missouri, 464,000 people (city proper), huge population loss after massive white flight. 106 murders last year for a rate of 23 per 100k.

Cleveland, Ohio, 390,000 people (city proper), 84 murders last year, rate of 22 per 100k. White flight has caused over 60% loss in their population. Median income for a household is $27k per year.

There are far more cities like this too, unfortunately. The main difference betwwen murders there and here is that ours.are.most domestic.disputes, theirs are mostly due to gang violence. South Africa has a murder rate of about 35/100k, but there random violence is very common, so you always feel like you're in danger. Even in the States random.violence is relatively uncommon, murders are committed by people who know each other.

Omg I see that their are extreme homicide rates in the U.S. I wonder what happened to the great country it claimed itself to be. Also I knew about Detroit,Cleveland, and New Orleans. But Kansas city and Wilmington suprised me (especially Wilmington). And I notice what is the big deal about white flight? Why are cities that much worse when white flight occurs?

[biguc]

Has to do with loss of population and wealth. The interstate highway system carving up cities made living outside the city so convenient that the middle class--which happened to be white--left the city. Since the late 1890s there'd also been a general migration of poor rural black Americans to northern cities for obvious economic reasons. Americans of the day, as you probably know, could be super racist. This only exacerbated the problem, creating racial ghettos. Race riots damaged these neighborhoods and scared white people even more and American cities reached a tipping point.

For reference, Detroit used to be home to about 2.5 million people. Now it's smaller than Winnipeg. But it's ringed by suburbs that are home to millions who don't pay any taxes to Detroit. Without the tax base, the city can't afford the policing, infrastructure, housing incentives, economic plans or social programs that lower crime.

[ssiguy]

The past white flight had a lot to do with increased violence.

When the whites left they took their incomes and taxes with them. This left cities much poorer with proportionately more poor people to help but with far fewer tax dollars to do it. This meant fewer health, education, housing, and social services to serve these people. The schools, due to the way they are funded in the US, had far fewer funds leading to high high school dropout rates. Poor wages, abandoned homes, urban blight, higher poverty rates and people looking for either a way out or a way to relieve their stress aka drugs. Drug use and trafficking combined with easy access to guns is a, literally, lethal combination.

The white flight has ended and many downtown areas are seeing strong population growth such as in Cleveland but in the areas outside the cores you still find abandoned housing, poverty, and despair. Some of the schools are in such disrepair and have such limited resources most people wouldn't use them as a dog shed little alone a place to educate their kids.

[Darkoshvilli]

Montreal 2 million people had 28 murders last year.

Baltimore 621k people had 27.....last January.

[middeljohn]

^^^

Can't believe I forgot to include Baltimore in that list.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

^^^

Can't believe I forgot to include Baltimore in that list.

You also forgot Oakland according to 2010 census population was 390,724 already 11 homicides since January.

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

The past white flight had a lot to do with increased violence.

When the whites left they took their incomes and taxes with them. This left cities much poorer with proportionately more poor people to help but with far fewer tax dollars to do it. This meant fewer health, education, housing, and social services to serve these people. The schools, due to the way they are funded in the US, had far fewer funds leading to high high school dropout rates. Poor wages, abandoned homes, urban blight, higher poverty rates and people looking for either a way out or a way to relieve their stress aka drugs. Drug use and trafficking combined with easy access to guns is a, literally, lethal combination.

The white flight has ended and many downtown areas are seeing strong population growth such as in Cleveland but in the areas outside the cores you still find abandoned housing, poverty, and despair. Some of the schools are in such disrepair and have such limited resources most people wouldn't use them as a dog shed little alone a place to educate their kids.

I wish Detroit would turn around, they dropped below 700,000 people last year. And the only people leaving are the ones who have the money to leave, so while the murder count is likely staying the same, the murder rate is going to increase.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Omg I see that their are extreme homicide rates in the U.S. I wonder what happened to the great country it claimed itself to be. Also I knew about Detroit,Cleveland, and New Orleans. But Kansas city and Wilmington suprised me (especially Wilmington). And I notice what is the big deal about white flight? Why are cities that much worse when white flight occurs?

The US has always been a pretty violent society throughout its history, and this does not really have anything to do with its greatness (odd but true).

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The US has always been a pretty violent society throughout its history, and this does not really have anything to do with its greatness (odd but true).

The fact that the rates I listed are the lowest most of those cities have seen in decades only rurther proves your statement.

[miketoronto]

I am living in Cleveland for work at the moment, and it is interesting for me as a Canadian to see the differences between the countries. Just two weeks ago, there was a second incident within a month, where someone was firing bullets at one of the fire stations here, for what just seems like fun. It made the news. But if that happened in Winnipeg or another Canadian city, I think the whole city would be up in arms over it.

I don't think I can ever get used to it. But it is weird having to worry about my safety, which is something I almost never thought about in Toronto. Here in Cleveland, you have to be much more observant about which neighborhoods you are crossing into, etc. A friend and I decided to take the bus somewhere instead of driving, and we ended up having to wait at a pretty sketchy bus stop, and it was one of the first times I actually ever felt threatened and just wanted the bus to come.
Cleveland, Chicago, and some other American cities have also had flash mob attacks. In Cleveland, it involved the beating of gay people going into a club, as well as mini riots in Public Square. In Chicago it has involved flash mob gangs attacking gay people in their gay district, and also attacking shoppers on Michigan Ave, the most classy shopping street in the city.


We really don't understand and hopefully will never have to, the kind of crime and degeneration that American cities have. The level of poverty and disfunction is truly sad, and includes crime, right on down to people urinating (and other bodily functions) in buses, etc.

[middeljohn]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

I am living in Cleveland for work at the moment, and it is interesting for me as a Canadian to see the differences between the countries. Just two weeks ago, there was a second incident within a month, where someone was firing bullets at one of the fire stations here, for what just seems like fun. It made the news. But if that happened in Winnipeg or another Canadian city, I think the whole city would be up in arms over it.

I don't think I can ever get used to it. But it is weird having to worry about my safety, which is something I almost never thought about in Toronto. Here in Cleveland, you have to be much more observant about which neighborhoods you are crossing into, etc. A friend and I decided to take the bus somewhere instead of driving, and we ended up having to wait at a pretty sketchy bus stop, and it was one of the first times I actually ever felt threatened and just wanted the bus to come.
Cleveland, Chicago, and some other American cities have also had flash mob attacks. In Cleveland, it involved the beating of gay people going into a club, as well as mini riots in Public Square. In Chicago it has involved flash mob gangs attacking gay people in their gay district, and also attacking shoppers on Michigan Ave, the most classy shopping street in the city.


We really don't understand and hopefully will never have to, the kind of crime and degeneration that American cities have. The level of poverty and disfunction is truly sad, and includes crime, right on down to people urinating (and other bodily functions) in buses, etc.

Most people born in Canada don't realize how lucky they are. I've never lived in the States before, it was the same thing (worse actually) in South Africa. I remember how odd it felt not having bars in front of the windows and a 6 foot fence with barbed wire around the property when we first got here. I've never heard of Canadian parents telling their kids to wait in the car while they check to make sure no one is hiding around the corner with a weapon. In SA this is a common safety habit.

[north 42]

Originally Posted by middeljohn

I wish Detroit would turn around, they dropped below 700,000 people last year. And the only people leaving are the ones who have the money to leave, so while the murder count is likely staying the same, the murder rate is going to increase.

Detroit is on the cusp of a turnaround now with unprecedented investment in their core and other neighbourhoods. Population is increasing in these areas as people want to live near to their place of employment. Apartment vacancies are very low, and new construction and renovations are being planned or occurring. Hopefully with a new mayor and an end to bankruptcy, the city will be in better shape to help foster more growth and prosperity.

[JuelzJones]

Toronto is at 5

[Darkoshvilli]

After a triple-homicide Trois-Rivieres has as many as Montreal.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ourt-1.2532113

[Calgarian]

It's really unfortunate that Americans can let massive parts of their cities turn to complete shit and have people living in 3rd world conditions. The social programs required to fix a lot of it would probably lead to cries of socialism from the right wing.

We do a much better job here, unless you look at Indian Reserves...

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

It's really unfortunate that Americans can let massive parts of their cities turn to complete shit and have people living in 3rd world conditions. The social programs required to fix a lot of it would probably lead to cries of socialism from the right wing.

We do a much better job here, unless you look at Indian Reserves...

When you consider the conditions they live in and the social impacts of that, Canada is actually quite fortunate that it's aboriginal population is not significantly larger than it is.