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Seattle doesn't really have any high-rise public housing. The tallest one I can think of (the one near Harborview) is only 10-11 stories. There are a couple other mid-rises. I'm surprised Minneapolis has so many, I've always wish Seattle at least had a few.

Now, there are certainly some non-public housing towers around the city that could, architecturally-speaking, be considered "commie blocks," I suppose...
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highrises =/= ghettoes

That's a photoshopped picture of Hong Kong highrises. Yet it's often used to inveigh hostility against some supposed dystopian world. The ironic thing is Hong Kong (and many other places with these ultra high densities) does enjoy a comfortable standard of living, does have a first class public transit system and its residents do not require the expense of the automobile.

If you're not familiar with a far-off place, ask yourself why Manhattan and Chicago's Gold Coast are full of high rises, yet aren't ghettoes?

Unfortunately much of the discourse about urbanity revolves around aesthetics and not more substantive issues like limiting sprawl, higher densities, or public transit.

Right now the rage is to pull down centrally located highrise ghettoes and disperse their residents to the burbs, ostensibly to expose them to a better environment. Unfortunately the result has been to spread the ghetto to low density burbs, with the former ghetto residents now having to fork out extra expenses for suburban commutes. The redeveloped highrise ghettoes have resulted in some plum profits for the developers though.

*I should add that the environmental determinism used to justify the anti-ghetto highrise movement generally isn't reflective of reality. If educational standards and economic prospects are so dire, you can essentially live in cutesy hamlets and still be prone to criminality and hopelessness. e.g. Europe circa 1848.
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highrises =/= ghettoes

That's a photoshopped picture of Hong Kong highrises. Yet it's often used to inveigh hostility against some supposed dystopian world. The ironic thing is Hong Kong (and many other places with these ultra high densities) does enjoy a comfortable standard of living, does have a first class public transit system and its residents do not require the expense of the automobile.

If you're not familiar with a far-off place, ask yourself why Manhattan and Chicago's Gold Coast are full of high rises, yet aren't ghettoes?

Unfortunately much of the discourse about urbanity revolves around aesthetics and not more substantive issues like limiting sprawl, higher densities, or public transit.

Right now the rage is to pull down centrally located highrise ghettoes and disperse their residents to the burbs, ostensibly to expose them to a better environment. Unfortunately the result has been to spread the ghetto to low density burbs, with the former ghetto residents now having to fork out extra expenses for suburban commutes. The redeveloped highrise ghettoes have resulted in some plum profits for the developers though.

*I should add that the environmental determinism used to justify the anti-ghetto highrise movement generally isn't reflective of reality. If educational standards and economic prospects are so dire, you can essentially live in cutesy hamlets and still be prone to criminality and hopelessness. e.g. Europe circa 1848.

Agreed.

With high populations, how are people going to be housed? With huge numbers of people moving to the city from the country in the developing world, what kind of planning schemes actually work? In developed nations, which are beginning to suffer fabric decay due to the decline of the automobile culture, how are imploding cities going to handle the increased population densities of the working poor? (The rich and newly rich will live well regardless..)

Are people, reasoning along Pol Pot lines, thinking that cities are evil, and, that we all should go back to a past that never existed!? Are more than a small lunatic fringe actually wanting a huge die back so that 'humanity' is not doomed to communal living in mega-structures? I certainly hope not.

Of course, we have to have eye candy, and, the status that eye candy provides to define class structure. Good architectural design, combined with good planning is always to be desired. Unfortunately, the creme 99% of the time will go to those with the money (the power) so that most big city inhabitants will take public transit, bicycles, walk, drive their private automobiles and look out the window at what they wish they had.
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LOWER NGAU TAU KOK ESTATE

[Connected maze] Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate 8-12 seats belong to the fifth type design connected resettlement building, completed in 1969, a total of five buildings each have nearly 270 residential units, just like a big maze on the map to simulate the building according to the proportion of the amount of actual calculation of plan, join a different photo for each position, try this huge yearning connected buildings.

Note: The plan prepared by the self-designed page, the actual size of the press to official information shall prevail.



Hello everyone, this fb Pages established in August 31, 2013, mainly on pieces of old style housing estates in Hong Kong title. This special page yahoo blog formerly known as public housing estates Photo Gallery, established in 2007, due to yahoo blog declared disabled, photos will be here after all estates fb pages publishing, the old public housing estates photo gallery blog immediate stop updating. Invites blog has been the support of old friends and fans of the housing pages and praise good Share. everything is difficult beginning, the parties have to thank friends support the continuation of the spirit of shadow estates.



To be demolished, and construction in the newly built (2010)



The same position cattle under 10 years of change -



Ngau Tau Kok under 邨 to 2012



Bovine last year to 2009



[Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate same position three years change] reconstruction commenced in 2009, then moved to the indigenous inhabitants of the village behind in Ngau Tau Kok. 2010 scaffolding old buildings began preparing demolished and Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate Redevelopment Phase 1 has built a half, there scenario 3 layers of different age of the building, upper Ngau Tau Kok Estate has gradually been covered. 2011 demolition of old buildings, and the reconstruction of a 已把 Ngau Tau Kok Estate obscured. in 2012, the old buildings with only 13 small part in the demolition, and the rest has become flat, and reconstruction of a 47-story skyscraper is nearing completion.



[Family web] 1 and the construction of two buildings - 2014 Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate



Ngau Tau Kok Estate preserved old villages brand concrete, heavy put open space next to your Fai House 2014



Bottle yaks to 2009 under



The expensive construction on floor 1 / F attracted few spectators, Ngau Tau Kok Estate @ 2010



There is no light in the last downtown resettlement area - Ngau Tau Kok Estate @ 2010



Poetry - cattle under 2014



[First split step] Lower Ngau Tau Kok village area in 2004 the first to be demolished Photo Demolished Block 7, and 9 of the rear seat has also completed the demolition in early 2011, ending the history of resettlement areas tasks to 2004



[Oxbow Lake] rain Lower Ngau Tau Kok Stadium, formed as a mirror-like lake view - 2010



Hong Kong can not live without bamboo to 2009



[Gallery] European and American hair salons, Ngau Tau Kok Estate to 2009



[Demolition] 2004 Ngau Tau Kok Estate, in front of the almost complete clearance of 6 and 7 position, while the rear is the 8th and 9



Cattle under 9 shirt hanging note to 2005



8 ~ 2005 sheds on



8,9 seat of bovine night to 2004



Demolition of public housing blocks - Ngau Tau Kok Estate @ 2011



The fourth type of building, bovine 7 to 2003



Neighbor ~ cattle under 2006



Ngau Tau Kok Estate II - 2005



Wounds to 2011



Fuxing Seafood Restaurant @ cow at 7 to 2003



In front of the demolition of the remaining layers is Ngau Tau Kok Estate 10 ~ 2011



Lower Ngau Tau Kok Village area and two areas to 2003



5,6 cow corner seat next to 2003



Also spend Non-1960s public housing construction method introduced modern building mode, which Block Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate 8-12 except the outer part of the lift lobby, are prefabricated in the form of pieces of construction, including structural walls and floor. So to be demolished traditional methods, workers first cut piece by piece member, then the scales lifted to the ground, such as the demolition of the building blocks of the scene picture shows the situation different kind of precast lifting time, the unexpected communication flower strip bar river is a one-piece unit.



[Resettlement blocks fourth type] old Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate Block 3 and its associated primary matchbox, this building, along with the building area of Lower Ngau Tau Kok village demolition works commenced in 2003.

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Lower Ngau Tau Kok (II) Estate populous to silent

Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate, located in Kwun Tong, the Eastern Kowloon Peninsula of Hong Kong, closed to the Kowloon Bay MTR station, between the seaside Kwun Tong Road and hillside Ngau Tau Kok Road.

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The New Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate is being built next to the block 9


A fire on 25 December 1953 in Sham Shui Po Shek Kip Mei Estate made 53000 refugees became homeless. Hong Kong Government took immediately action to settle down the victims, by constructing the resettlement blocks (commonly known as the seven-story block building) in Shek Kip Mei. The Government later built these buildings in different districts. The Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate built between 1967-1969, was belong to the one of the resettlement areas. The Estate was formerly known as the Lower Ngau Tau Kok Village, was to provide shelter for residents in the clearance of natural disasters, fires, rooftop or hillside squatters.

Along with social progress, the 14 buildings in Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate were Type of 4, 5 resettlement blocks, with independent kitchen and toilet in each unit. Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate, Block 1-7 belonged to zone 1, Block 8-14 was zone 2. Most buildings in zone 1 were Type 4, the zone two was Type 5 resettlement block, all buildings had 16 storeys. The number of flats in each building was varied, ranging from 24-77. Below 9th Floor were large and middle-sized rooms, which may accommodate 7 peoples or more. The 2-4 small rooms were located above the 9th Floor. Each flat was scattered at the two sides of the corridors which were wide and long. Likewise, each block was connected by long corridors, enhancing good neighborhood.

Hong Kong's economy was blooming during 60-70s. Family workshops in public housing estate had appeared in making hand-made products such as hair-piece and plastic flowers. Early Resettlement Estates lacked elevators, the first estate to have such facilities was Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate which provided convenience to residents. Nevertheless, the elevators at lower floors stopped only at 8th Floor, while those in upper floors stopped only at 13th Floor. Due to this limitation, parents-workers still had to carry heavy and plant materials to home. These difficult old days would stay in their minds.


Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate was the last resettlement state to be redeveloped in urban areas. Block 1-7 of Zone 1 was demolished in 2004, reconstructed in 2008 and completed in 2011. The new five tall buildings of Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate have been resided. Block 8-14 of Zone 2 started demolishing in October 2010, and completed site formation in February 2012. Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate renewal project involved about 4,100 families and 11,000 residents. 38% of these residents, approximately 1,500 households, were living alone and elderly couples. They were resettled in same district, and had been resided in Upper Ngau Tau Kok Estate Phase II and III in year 2008-2009.



The preparations of Block 13 and 14 for the pre-demolition

Block 8-12 in Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate was the first public housing estate to be built by prefabricated components in Hong Kong. Tiles, structural walls and floors etc were all prefabricated components. The prefabricated components were assembled piece by piece, and then formulated to a building block. The traditional locomotive or blasting concrete demolition cannot be adopted, otherwise the building structure would be affected and caused a domino collapse.

Small area of Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate had four to five primary schools, as well as the roof Primary School. In the Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate zone 2, St. Matthew's Primary School was next to Block 9, Bishop Paschang Catholic School was next to block 10, and St John Bosco School was in front of Block 11. Over the past 40 years, these schools had nurtured many students who gave contribution to the society. Before the estate clearance, schools had been moved to other areas.

Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate has become the collective memories of the residents, while new communities have been formed. 554 of flats will be built in old Block 9 construction site. (Tentative name “Block 6”). The old block 13 and 14 will be used to construct the East Kowloon Community Cultural Center which will be a cultural landmark in East Kowloon. Under local demand for cultural facilities from Kwun Tong, Wong Tai Sin, Kowloon City, Tseung Kwan O and Sai Kung districts, the Center will provide a 1,200-seat auditorium, a 550-seat theater, and an outdoor park.



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2 Mins Demolition Lower NTK Estate

Ngau Tau Kok in Kowloon Ngau Tau Kok Estate built between 1967-1969, Ngau Tau Kok Estate 8-14 Block called "II." Is the last urban redevelopment resettlement estates. Second District in October 2010 began to be demolished in February 2012 to complete the demolition and site preparation. Second District seat 9 has also been re-building high-rise.

As you can imagine, almost 2 years clearance time, compressed to only 2 minutes of video? Look!

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Minute clearance Ngau Tau Kok Estate 2 Mins Demolition Lower NTK Estate

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Lower Ngau Tau Kok II clearance panorama ago. Rear seat football stadium is ninth, ninth seat next to St. Matthew School, next to the school is the seat of St. Matthew the eighth. Block ninth and tenth, eleven vertical connected to 90 degrees, the seat is connected to the tenth of a twelfth. Patrizi primary school in the ninth rear seat, front seat tenth. Thirteenth, fourteen independent in the top of the photo.



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Panorama Lower Ngau Tau Kok II after clearance. Rear seat football stadium is to lay the foundation before the ninth, St. Matthew School eighth seat placed containers. Eighth, tenth, eleventh became a blessing Amoy Street now. Patrizi primary become the widened road. Thirteenth, fourteen wait for reconstruction after demolition.



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Lower Ngau Tau Kok II clearance before and after comparison chart panorama.



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Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate

42-year-old Lower Ngau Tau Kok Estate (cattle under) is a Hong Kong last resettlement estates, in the beginning of 2010 clearance. In addition to the residents of the village have deep feelings, but many people are also particularly strong nostalgia has the characteristics of older cattle resettlement estates. Estates clearance eve of the village residents, shop owners and old neighbors and digital artists to share their impressions and old estates bit of life in the movies.

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Building Block 1-5 Upper Ngau Tau Kok Estate 20-storey new low-cost housing, built in the 1960s, five building demolition in 2003, the site today to build a new Ngau Tau Kok Estate 2 and 3 .



































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Tsz Wan Shan Resettlement Estate

Tsz Wan Shan Tsz Man Estate, Block 66, is Hong Kong's largest public housing numbers, the case of a fifth type of resettlement buildings designed 4 wings, each with more hundred units. Picture taken in 1997, when 66 is ready demolition, reconstruction currently at chee Kang village five new cross-shaped building.



Tsz Man Village cards - 1997



he largest number in the history of public housing - 66



Block 61 - 65
42 small flats (2-3 ppl), 113-6 medium flats (4-5 ppl) and 119 large flat (6-7 flats) per floor: 1,394 ppl
15 floors: 20,000 ppl



Tsz Wan Shan Tsz Ching Estate 1995vs2004 ~ 1995 年 48 and 49 seats, etc. There are 4 types resettlement buildings with 16 floors, while in 2004 it becomes dominated by a 40-story Harmony ~



Is the fifth type of resettlement buildings designed Tsz Wan Shan Tsz Village 1-3 seat to 1995





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This special page set up four months just to reach 500 like a good milestone, brought the first 500 resettlement buildings - old Lantian 15 with a ~ 1995 ~ Tips, we remember to set this special page for the "trail" to keeping all updates received notification ~~



The fourth type of resettlement buildings Lam Tin Estate fifth and sixth seat - 1997



The fourth type of resettlement buildings, Lam Tin Estate, Block 1 to 1998



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Sau Mau Ping Resettlement Estate



The picture shows the old Sau Mau Ping Estate 24, is a 16-storey resettlement blocks fifth type design - 1997



Small market structure - the demolition resettlement area in Sau Mau Ping @ 2003



Sau Mau Ping Estate five types of resettlement buildings, the first 22 to 1997



Sau Mau Ping transition from the old to 2003



Removing the Sau Mau Ping 24 to 2003



The old Sau Mau Ping Road to 1997



Sau Mau Ping abstract signs to 2010



The fifth type of resettlement buildings, Sau Mau Ping 28 - 1997



Dry town sprouts - Sau Mau Ping Estate 2003



Sau Mau Ping Estate in 1971 completed Block 21 to 2001



The fifth type of resettlement buildings, Sau Mau Ping Estate section 35 to 1997



[Control] past and present changes in Sau Mau Ping Sau Ming Road on both sides of the Sau Mau Ping Community Hall to see, when in 1997 the figure resettlement buildings still exist, the right to 31, but the year has started rebuilding a Harmony blocks while the figure is the same location in 2014, Sau Mau Ping has been rebuilt, while the rear of Anderson Road has also started the construction of housing. 1997/2014



Sau Mau Ping [alternate] 90s belong to rebuild the peak of older estates, the picture shows the 1990s Mau Ping Estate fifth type resettlement blocks 32 and 33, when the old residents have been relocated, remaining until the rain Removing the body, while the right-hand side of the Harmony House for the just completed show Lok House, the site of the first 34 and 36 genus of the 1970s, a genus of the 1990s, the two buildings to witness the evolution of Sau Mau Ping Estate buildings. 1997

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The fourth type of resettlement for the 16-storey building standard design, is a central corridor design and a lift, the corridor on both sides of the unit with a separate arcade, with separate toilet. IV building combination changeable, T-type single buildings can , more buildings are connected and connected with standard design primary schools appeared, the East Village 22 Pictured in 2004 when, in 1965, it completed the first building completed in the territory belongs to the fourth type of resettlement buildings.



Resettlement buildings and mansions, East Village 22 @ 2013



[Packaged] wasted two years, and finally removed, the Tung Tau 22 2014



Hong Kong first building layer [16] East Village 22 was completed in 1965 and belongs to the fourth type's first 16-storey resettlement blocks, with a separate kitchen and toilet and elevator service. Today 22 has been demolished, the remaining futureIt was originally connected to the primary school attached to the wing - po Yan Primary School.

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Shek Lei Estate fifth type before resettlement blocks 15 and 16, the current position is probably the Shih, Shi Xiang and Shi Yan House - (1995)



[Reconstruction front control] View previous Shek Lei Estate Block 15 and 16 by the position of the stone Pear Street direction, now Shi Xiang (right) and Shi Yan Building (left)



Shek Lei Estate, Block 10, 11, 2003 - the night sky



Design side hope two generations, Harmony and resettlement of the building - Shek Lei Estate @ 2012

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The sixth type of resettlement buildings Xinfa village ~ @ 1999

Sky Tower IV resettlement to 2013

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Chai Wan Resettlement Estate

The audience referred to the Old Block 15 Chai Wan resettlement area, Pictured (type IV resettlement blocks) to 1999





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