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Why is the operating speed of the downtown tube (40 mph) higher than the uptown tube (20 mph)?
The uptown tube is probably in poor condition, necessitating the need for slower moving trains.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2017, 6:01 PM
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World of Subways 1 – The Path

The speed limit of the Christopher Street tubes in the video is 20 mph.

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Lol. That game is ridiculously realistic. Lol
One for the most die hard transit fans.
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2017 Ridership Numbers

Month | Avg. Weekday Ridership | % Chg from Prior Year | % Chg from 2015

Jan 266,846 (+6.53%) (+17.26% from 2015)
Feb 266,278 (+3.77%) (+8.59% from 2015)

Total ridership so far this year is 12,264,054, an increase of 4.33% from the same period last year. Not bad.
March is 266,745

It looks like 266k is it for now. It's probably not getting much higher unless the Port Authority starts running more trains. It will be interesting to see what ridership does now with the hundreds of new units coming online every month in the immediate vicinity of the stations.
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2017 Ridership Numbers

Month | Avg. Weekday Ridership | % Chg from Prior Year | % Chg from 2015

Jan 266,846 (+6.53%) (+17.26% from 2015)
Feb 266,278 (+3.77%) (+8.59% from 2015)
March 266,745 (+0.61%) (+6.46% from 2015)
April 289,351 (+7.12%) (+12.00% from 2015)

Total Ridership YTD: 26,005,863

BOOM! April 2017 is busiest month on record. If my theory is correct, each successive month should be recordbreaking as thousands of units from the Waterfront to Newark come online and the New York City job market continues to grow. I would love for Journal Square and Newark to see widescale office development to encourage a reverse flow from Manhattan.
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2017, 3:55 PM
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PATH sees boost in ridership during NY Penn Station repairs

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HOBOKEN - Thousands of additional New Jersey commuters are taking PATH trains into New York City while Amtrak completes repairs at New York Penn Station, Port Authority officials said.

The Port Authority said as of Tuesday morning, PATH is running with an overall on-time performance rate of nearly 98 percent.
Read More: http://newjersey.news12.com/story/35...tation-repairs

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For the first six months of the year, PATH carried an average 277,000 weekday riders. From July 10 through Wednesday, the rail system carried an average 309,000 riders, with about 24,000 using their NJ Transit tickets to transfer at Hoboken Terminal.

Currently, PATH ridership is outpacing that of the Long Island Rail Road, Metro-North and NJ Transit's commuter rail operations, the region's largest.

"And those are big railroads," said Mike Marino, PATH's director and general manager.

Marino added that the railroad had maintained a 98 percent on-time record in spite of 7 percent to 8 percent more riders. It was 100 percent on time on Thursday, he said.
http://www.northjersey.com/story/new...ief/541220001/
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2017, 2:54 AM
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Another interesting fact is average daily ridership growth has been occurring in all the PATH stations over the last 5 years except for Journal Square. It's been flat having the nearly identical average weekday ridership numbers from 2012 to 2017. What would cause this? And with Journal Squared leasing up, I wonder if we'll finally see a slight bump?
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Would be nice if they have more cars in service on both WTC and 33rd street lines from midnight to 6am on the weekends!

Unrealistic but one can dream!
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Would be nice if they have more cars in service on both WTC and 33rd street lines from midnight to 6am on the weekends!

Unrealistic but one can dream!
One more train to each line would reduce the headways from 35 min overnight to 18-20 min. It's documented that ridership is greatly influenced by headways, so there should be a decent ridership boost too.
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PATH train ridership has seen a bump of about 30,000 trips each work day due to the Amtrak "Summer of Hell." PATH came on shining as it's been able to accommodate the additional riders while keeping on time train performance.

Now that the summer of hell has ended, it will be interesting to see how many of the 30,000 riders stick around.

Pre-Summer of Hell Avg. Weekday Ridership: ~270,000
Current Ridership: ~300,000

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of them stick. PATH is more affordable at a $3.25 flat rate and Penn Station is still a hell hole. The Herald Square PATH station is just a block away from Penn, so the location shouldn't be too much of a factor when deciding which train to use.

Ridership is growing in all stations, except Journal Square?!? Why? Anyone care to guess? Average weekday ridership has been stuck at ~26,000 for years. The new development in the area has not seen more people using the station. I can't figure it out.
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Yes Yes Yes!

There is talk about giving PATH to NJ Transit, which is the wrong move. Give it to MTA and integrate it more into the NYC subway system. They already share payment methods. I'd venture to say most path riders transfer to the MTA rather than transfer to NJ Transit.
It's a nice pipe dream, but it won't happen. The PA is a perfect agency to run PATH since it's a bi-state agency. Should NJ Transit run buses and trains all over NY? And consider the fact that if the MTA were to run PATH, then you're talking about integrating PATH to the NYC subway system, which is very complicated since many of the trains on the MTA side aren't compatible nor are they designed for the PATH system and plus the fare structure would have to change in order to go to NJ and back. Leave PATH to the PA, it doesn't need to be run by the MTA!!!
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It's a nice pipe dream, but it won't happen. The PA is a perfect agency to run PATH since it's a bi-state agency. Should NJ Transit run buses and trains all over NY? And consider the fact that if the MTA were to run PATH, then you're talking about integrating PATH to the NYC subway system, which is very complicated since many of the trains on the MTA side aren't compatible nor are they designed for the PATH system and plus the fare structure would have to change in order to go to NJ and back. Leave PATH to the PA, it doesn't need to be run by the MTA!!!
The PA doesn't want to operate PATH and it shows. It's a terribly inefficient organization, even worst than MTA. If only the federal government would strong arm all these transit agencies via conditions of grant funding for fare integration and a more seamless ride for regional riders. WMATA in DC handes two states in addition to the district. They were able to come up with a funding formula each state contributes to assist in operations.

My dream would be to see the Feds send a message to New York State and New Jersey. Play nice together and make it work or F*ck your transit funding. lol But you're right. Both states would probably forgo the federal funding before working together.

MTA is a state entity, and I'm pretty sure there are some metro north trains that run through New Jersey via interstate agreement.
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July, August and September all posted average weekday ridership numbers of over 290,000. It looks like the ridership bump from Amtrak's "Summer of Hell" has stuck. Newark and Hoboken all keeping their ridership gains from the summer. It looks like the split between 33rd street trains and WTC is about 40/60. Increased development at the WTC site should lead to increased PATH ridership from Jersey.

I'm also looking at the ridership numbers from September 2012 and 2017. Surprisingly, Journal Square had the lowest increase, basically unchanged. Grove Street station is up the most. I don't know what the modal split is for all the new residential towers being built around the Grove PATH, but it's obvious a large percentage of folks are riding PATH to NYC. This should be a case study for urban planners studying parking requirements near metro stops. There's about a thousand units or more under construction in the immediate vicinity of Grove PATH and many more thousands that have been approved. It will be interesting to see how high the Grove St. numbers get as the trains are pretty much at capacity at times, especially by the time it hits Grove.
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Any news on the PATH expansion to Newark airport? Also, what about the plan to replace the Newark AirTrain?

This is a rare opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. It would be much cheaper and much more convenient to riders if the current Newark Airport station on the NE corridor is abandoned with the new Newark AirTrain is extended to Newark Penn Station, similar to Jamaica Station and the JFK AirTrain.

That way it connects to all Amtrak trains on the NE corridor (instead of some), all NJ Transit trains (instead of some), PATH trains (and saves the need to spend $1.7 billion on extension to current AirTrain stop), Newark Light rail, and many NJ Transit bus lines.
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Any news on the PATH expansion to Newark airport? Also, what about the plan to replace the Newark AirTrain?

This is a rare opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. It would be much cheaper and much more convenient to riders if the current Newark Airport station on the NE corridor is abandoned with the new Newark AirTrain is extended to Newark Penn Station, similar to Jamaica Station and the JFK AirTrain.

That way it connects to all Amtrak trains on the NE corridor (instead of some), all NJ Transit trains (instead of some), PATH trains (and saves the need to spend $1.7 billion on extension to current AirTrain stop), Newark Light rail, and many NJ Transit bus lines.
This is indeed the best option. It would also speed up every NJT train the currently stops at the airport.
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October ridership numbers, traditionally the busiest month for travel, nears a record at 297,000 riders. That's 6% higher than the same point last year. The gains were mainly at Hoboken and Newark, probably from NJ Transit transfers that realize there was a better way after service was cut on the NE corridor during the Amtrak Summer of Hell. For the first time, Journal Square has also seen a big bump in ridership, probably from the new residents moving into Journal Squared, 13 Journal Square, and other surrounding developments. We're one or two more skyscraper away from breaking through the 300,000 threshold.

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They need to upgrade the system or add more trains. Any typical rush hour or high peak hours on weekdays or weekends starts to look like this:


Credit: nydaily

And unfortunately, in these conditions, the break dancers asking for money come out, at 7:30 am!

Always the best part of the day. Not to mention the Jesus people at Newark Penn preaching about the savior, as folks all congregate and funnel through 1 partially opened door, and the escalator is broken, because it always is.

Than you walk over to the Newark Penn bathroom, and of course, all the stalls are taken, and there's a man signing in one of them.

#experienceofchris
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They need to upgrade the system or add more trains.
Thankfully, NJ's new governor is hugely pro-transit and has promised a major expansion of transit service.

After eight nightmare years of Chris Christie, NJ commuters finally have reason for optimism.
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^ It should be very interesting what happens next! A properly funded and operated PATH (and NJ Transit) system should send ridership soaring. It's ridiculously you can board a train a 3am in the morning because the trains are running every 35 min and are packed. Adding one extra train overnight would reduce headways to 20 min. Much better service that would help with the overcrowding situation.
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