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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 3:48 AM
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It looks ok, not really overwhelmed by it. I will say that Arquiteconica needs to tweak their designs for stuff in Miami, because it is always glass and curves that look ridiculous or a big glass box with one side virtually a blank wall, i.e. Marquis.

The key to this, whatever you wat to call it, getting off the ground is the Miami Herald selling and then seeing if this even get financed..
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 4:13 AM
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Genting is serious! The Miami Herald's land is already in the bag for $267milion. A couple of adjacent parcels are theirs too. They just revealed today that Genting has already purchased the debt for the adjacent Omni Mall for $106 million. It's all moving at a breakneck pace. The plan is to put the casino in the Omni and open in 2012. The rest of the plan will complete as early as 2014. They are already a huge resort destination company with assets at 43 billion. Genting already owns a majority of Norwegian Cruise Line investing billions in new ships. I don't think financing is a problem. The remaining piece is the granting of gambling by the state of Florida. Notice the hard sell in the video as "Florida" is mentioned in every other sentence.
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Genting releases their plans for Resort World Miami. Since this is a press release I assume it's ok to post a good chunk of it.
http://www.rwmiami.com/news.html
Wow!!! Sound wonderful!!! I can't wait see it!!! I think they awaited for County approval. They can start constructions new super tall tower.

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Hehe, no, I think he died in 1911. He apparently got run over by a horse-drawn wagon, while in Miami, and later died as a result of those injuries.

But fortunately not before having my great-grandfather ... so that I could exist.
Wow...I didn't know that. That was 100 years ago, huh? Unbelievable! He could be over 140 years old today.
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Well, if you want to be a jerk about it...

Only someone from Orlando would find it "breathtaking".
in todays economy beggars can't be choosers, this project will create thousands of jobs during construction and upon opening, it will give tourists another reason to visit miami
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 1:56 PM
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I'm sort of meh on the design, could be hideous or could be fantastic. We'll have to wait and see if/when it gets approved and built. Miami has history of fantastic projects that never happen. Genting seems to be serious and has the bank to do it though.

Considering the state of the world, the fact that they're announcing a 3 billion dollar investment into the city is thumbs up from me. Most cities would kill for something like this. Construction wise, Miami is already turning the corner out of the recession. Hopefully the jobs follow.
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Well, if you want to be a jerk about it...

Only someone from Orlando would find it "breathtaking".
^ Says the poster from Pittsburgh.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 2:55 PM
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I'm sort of meh on the design, could be hideous or could be fantastic. We'll have to wait and see if/when it gets approved and built. Miami has history of fantastic projects that never happen. Genting seems to be serious and has the bank to do it though.

Considering the state of the world, the fact that they're announcing a 3 billion dollar investment into the city is thumbs up from me. Most cities would kill for something like this. Construction wise, Miami is already turning the corner out of the recession. Hopefully the jobs follow.
I agree -- it could be hideous or it could be fantastic -- and its a positive economic sign for Miami. I just think it's cheesy looking (though the photos with the fireworks don't help much), especially for a project that will be in an emerging urban area. Again though as I said originally, in real life it might end up being really cool.

It just seems out of place at that location to me. A mega resort in downtown Miami just doesn't do it for me -- but I just may prefer a much different type of urban environment. I love Miami -- I went to college there and my fiancee is from there, so I visit all the time and pay close attention to what is happening around town. I'd just like to see Miami become more Chicago and less Vegas -- and this proposal strongly suggests the latter unfortunately.

Projects like this seem to belong on the Beach, not in downtown -- and I think it is totally indicative of many of the types of designs Arquitectonica has come up with in recent years -- meaning ones that do not complement the context of their present or future surrounding urban environments.
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I agree -- it could be hideous or it could be fantastic -- and its a positive economic sign for Miami. I just think it's cheesy looking (though the photos with the fireworks don't help much), especially for a project that will be in an emerging urban area. Again though as I said originally, in real life it might end up being really cool.

It just seems out of place at that location to me. A mega resort in downtown Miami just doesn't do it for me -- but I just may prefer a much different type of urban environment. I love Miami -- I went to college there and my fiancee is from there, so I visit all the time and pay close attention to what is happening around town. I'd just like to see Miami become more Chicago and less Vegas -- and this proposal strongly suggests the latter unfortunately.

Projects like this seem to belong on the Beach, not in downtown -- and I think it is totally indicative of many of the types of designs Arquitectonica has come up with in recent years -- meaning ones that do not complement the context of their present or future surrounding urban environments.

Miami is a mixture of chicago and las vegas.
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Miami is a mixture of chicago and las vegas.
Yeah... right. Keep trying to convince yourself of the Chicago portion of that statement.
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Miami is a mixture of chicago and las vegas.
las vegas has become more like miami last 10 years than the other way round, it tried the orlando disneyworld theme from 1989 to 2001 but has since moved further south with its themeing, all the condo towers (allure, sky las vegas, panorama, palms place et al) that went up in vegas last 5-8 years look like they were transported straight from miami
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las vegas has become more like miami last 10 years than the other way round, it tried the orlando disneyworld theme from 1989 to 2001 but has since moved further south with its themeing, all the condo towers (allure, sky las vegas, panorama, palms place et al) that went up in vegas last 5-8 years look like they were transported straight from miami
I Doubt it, Miami is gonna be even bigger soon, plus they need even more glass buildings.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2011, 10:24 PM
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I'd just like to see Miami become more Chicago and less Vegas -- and this proposal strongly suggests the latter unfortunately.
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...n-bayside.html

Well at least from the waterfront it will begin to resemble Chicago.
Unlike most resorts that are often a world into themselves, this will be located in downtown and connected with the Metromover. Visitors will have easy accessibility to to all of downtown and its attractions. Genting, is interested in partnering with the city in redeveloping Museum Park to the south and taking over Bayside Marketplace, as well as integrating Margaret Pace Park to the North. It aims to create a world class waterfront experience that will stretch from the Miami River to Margaret Pace. They also seek to integrate and partner with the Adrian Arsht Performing Arst Center with their project. It seems the "all within the resort" aspect might not apply as the they seem to be maximizing the existing amenities already there and creating a district wide experience. Besides, investing $3 billion in an area with 4 hotels and a 700,000 sq ft convention center (the largest in South Florida) is bound to spur outside development in the surrounding Omni neighborhood that will foster the street activity that urbanists crave.

One of Miami's strengths is its tourism industry. I'm bemused by the implication of not maximizing its potential as a leader in it. Every city in the world would give its left nut for a project like this. The fact is Miami where it will happen, and the faith to propose something this ambitious speaks volumes about its potential. It can only enhance its industry and will likely be a lure for others. This project if realized will beget windfalls in every conceivable economic sector as well as raise Miami's profile and "intangibles" on the world stage.
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Quantum, you're having a Miami orgasm. I understand why, but let's rationally discuss PJ3000's debates.
OH, JESUS! PLEASE! A lot more is going to have to come out of the ground before I come anywhere near having orgasms over the Miami skyline.

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Companies that would bring and develop a diverse workforce to Miami are not going to establish or relocate because condo towers, retail developments, and entertainment venues have been built at record pace. And guess what? They're not. Will they in the future? Maybe, and I hope they will, because I have a vested interest in Miami.
PJ3000 this is what I was saying. I certainly wouldn't call it a major city now. Back when we were talking about airports, you said anything in New York is more centrally located than anything in Miami. And I said that spoke volumes about where you're really coming. You asked me what I meant and I didn't want to get into it with you then, but to me, it just said there was no point in arguing with you about any of this because you'll just hold on to your point of view no matter what and cherry pick the arguments to back it up. Some people will make themselves right no matter what. What you said indicated bias whether you think you were being facetious or not. That's why I haven't been back here, but I came back to catch some of the response to this Genting proposal. I'm quite busy on a another skyscraper website, and there really isn't the time for this.

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Love the vision, like so many other grand ideas that ultimately did not see the light of day.
I think this is different though because of the developer behind it.

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I think we need to read what the announcement actually stated:

The site will likely include somewhere between six and eight towers. Under current zoning, each can be up to 700 feet tall, but Fort-Brescia says they will be built at a variety of different heights.

That's a lot different than saying "6 to 8 towers, up to 700 feet tall each", as the above post stated
Well, here is what I read from the Thursday 09/15/2011 edition of the Miami Herald. I have it right here in front of me.

"At each four corners, overlooking the lagoon, would stand 65-story hotel towers whose irregular, biopmorphic shapes are taken from coral formations and the sea life that inhabits them."

So 650 feet maybe?

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Really? From what a South Florida real estate broker friend of mine tells me, the vast majority of the new wave of foreign buyers are buying them as second homes and as investment properties, and not renting out. Most of the condos-turned rentals are being rented out by management companies for the developers and original owners to recoup some revenue lost over the past few years, since many of them were purchased as investment properties to begin with.
Whatever you want to believe. All of Miami's towers are very well lit at night now, and I have the pictures to prove it.

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Could it look any cheesier? I think Arquitectonica should hang it up.

It might end up looking cool in real life, but in these pictures - I totally hate it.
Actually, when I first saw it, I thought it looked gaudy as all hell and more like something that would fit better in Dubai than in Miami, but when I read that the buildings were to be taken for giant coral formations, being a scuba diver myself, I suddenly saw that and thought "Now that makes the project very Miami" and something a little new and different in architecture. Hopefully, it will turn out looking better than the renderings. From my experience, buildings usually do.

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Yeah... right. Keep trying to convince yourself of the Chicago portion of that statement.
Actually, the way Miami stands on its waterfront does remind me a lot of Chicago, and we have a river of its namesake running through the middle of downtown, and Miami even has an Edgewater district like Chicago, and it will certainly look more like Chicago in the future than any other American city.

Anyway, Private Dick, pj3000, prahaboheme, whomever... believe what you want to believe. I'm too busy on another website to be concerned with it where I'm moderator of the Miami forum, moderator of the Florida forum, and where I also happen to be a North American moderator. I didn't ask to be a moderator, I was chosen out of the Miami forum because of my "ability to conduct myself in an unbiased and respectable manner." So that is who I am. And now, if you'll excuse me, I have work to do on another website.
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I'm too busy on another website to be concerned with it where I'm moderator of the Miami forum, moderator of the Florida forum, and where I also happen to be a North American moderator. I didn't ask to be a moderator, I was chosen out of the Miami forum because of my "ability to conduct myself in an unbiased and respectable manner." So that is who I am. And now, if you'll excuse me, I have work to do on another website.
We are all very proud to have been associated with such an outstanding person! You should really put that stuff on your resume.

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Jeez, what a total nipple that guy is. Who says that kind of stuff? He posted some nice Miami photos, but with that type of attitude I'm glad he's taking his marbles and going to play with the other kids down the street.

I'm rather new to this discussion on Miami, so I went back a few pages to see what QuantumX was referring to in his above post -- the people who he was going back and forth with were for the most part presenting rational, well thought out opinions, while he was having a hard time keeping a coherent argument together.
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Is anyone else the least bit suspicious in Genting's apparent interest in paying for the development and maintenance of Museum Park? I understand that a completed Museum Park makes the overall area more attractive as a destination but $30 million + is a lot to pay for an asset you don't own. Am I being a conspiracy theorist or does this smell fishy to anyone else?
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Is anyone else the least bit suspicious in Genting's apparent interest in paying for the development and maintenance of Museum Park? I understand that a completed Museum Park makes the overall area more attractive as a destination but $30 million + is a lot to pay for an asset you don't own. Am I being a conspiracy theorist or does this smell fishy to anyone else?
I might be wrong and naive, but I see it as an attempt to sweeten their proposal and express their commitment to the city. In the grand scheme, 30 mil is chump change compared to a 3 billion dollar investment. Genting's Chairman KT Lim has been a visitor and fan of Miami. Up until now he has been a passive force. Is it possible civic pride may be a factor? Miami's branding and image is intrinsic to its marketing as a destination. At face value, the ability to control Miami's waterfront only enhances their plans to create a mega resort with 4 hotels and the largest convention center (700,000 sq. ft) in South Florida. Remember, Genting owns majority share of Norwegian Cruise Lines. The possibility of dictating how passengers spend their time on land pre and post cruise seems like good business sense, considering the concessions and other revenue generating possibilities that are involved. Disney does it very well with their theme park/cruise operation. Filtering and monopolizing the traffic on the entire waterfront only validates their investment spending 260 mil+ on land not on the beach. Their Sentosa resort has a Universal Studios Theme Park. There won't be a theme park in Miami, so it might be an attempt to maximize the creation of a destination resort that they desire within a form that they can shape and control. I might be grossly wrong, but its exciting to think that the things they are proposing that would vastly improve Miami's profile can be accomplished by private means rather than by public funding.
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I'm sorry but this is quite hideous! A big huge M on the bayfront skyline?



A 8 story podium encompassing the whole project? Where is the downtown street interaction? This looks like a Las Vegas/ Orlando type of resort where one is enclosed like a casino and it doesn't belong in the heart of downtown Miami. You think Arquitectonica would have learned from the failure of the Omni mall immediately to it's north. Quite disappointing to say the least.
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^^^^Bobdreamz,

I always hope for continued development and success in Miami, but I sincerely think this thing will not be built either at all or in its current form. No worries. This would even be a large project for Macau or Dubai or any other BOOM town in the world, let alone a city in America (especially one that has seen a volatile past couple years). No American developer would put anything like this up anywhere in our country, as he would know a) its size is just plain out of context, b) it's unfeasible, and c) our communities have a say and this says NIMBY galore all over it.

Cities all across the fruited plain with massive developments on hold have seen those development rejuvenated and restarted on much more human and time sensitive scales. That's probably (hopefully) what's going to happen here. I agree that it's pretty fugly. Coral or not, I have never scuba dived and I don't look at this building and think, hmmm that's coral!...It really fits in well.
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