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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire
I won't say inappropriate, but to be honest I'm not sure what the big deal is about the ancient untitilating tales of old queens possibly or possibly not having actually crossed paths with Montgomery Clift or Sandy Koufax.
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I ask then, what is "the big deal about the ancient untitilating tales" told by posters in this thread about them or their family members crossing paths with celebrities in the Hollywood Brown Derby, for instance (I recently read that one), or about others who've rubbed elbows with L.A. personalities and politicians? Or those who worked with Frank Sinatra or encountered Michael Jackson? I've read several such accounts, some first person and some related, here on these pages and I'm not even up to page 300 yet.
I never said it was a "big deal" anyway. I used the story as personal observation to particular Los Angeles locations as others have done. In this case, the Coffee Dan's restaurants in Hollywood, the Bank of America and the vicinity of Hollywood & Highland. Should I take offense that you say "possibly or possibly not"? I haven't yet encountered a post where someone has taken the veracity to task of someone else's related stories about something. Is "old queens" supposed to be taken as derogatory? I, myself, have enough life experience to know when the veracity of something is legitimate or not. If I wasn't confident about it myself, I wouldn't have told it. If I wasn't sure and posted it anyway, I would've said "I'm not sure this is true." And I doubt "young queens" would have been able to afford a story like this, no? Really, I only posted it to give life to the surroundings the photos portray.
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire
Clift's sexuality isn't exactly a newsflash--I guess I'm not surprised, but how sad that someone would think that passing up a chance to have sex with a movie star was a big mistake in life.
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Again, I didn't mention it as a "newsflash" - simply a fact. As for the rest, that's your interpretation. I said
date. I don't know if I'd use the word
sad, but I do think it would've been interesting to have gone out on a
date with M. Clift.
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire
I don't know how long the rumors might have been around, but I think there was a not-so-big brouhaha 10 or 15 years ago about Koufax's alleged interest men.
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All of the information I have learned about this was garnered before the publication of his autobiography in 2003 when that occurred. It provided another checkmark to things, though.
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire
I guess my point is... beware of star-struck old men flapping their gums at parties.... So glad we've gotten away from all that & wish Clift if not Koufax could have lived in a time of less fear about being authentic.
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I don't need a warning as to how to evaluate people and the information they impart. Maybe you've been burned before, but I can't think of an instance I myself have been burned on information I've relayed when I finally decide it's accuracy or not, and sometimes that might take years. But, if you think we've gotten away from all that you haven't been paying attention.
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire
"A Hollywood coffee shop that catered exclusively to homosexuals..."
Exclusively? Was there a bouncer with gaydar?
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As I noted, the site I linked only posts sources with information about particular locations, in this case Coffee Dan's. The validity of the information in the source is not attested to on that site.
Anyway, here's some further connections to Coffee Dan's, Bank of America at Hollywood and Highland, the Dodgers, Montgomery Clift and suchâ¦believe them or not as you wish:
From Loose Nights by John Gilmore:
http://www.johngilmore.com/Scrapbook/loosenights.html
One afternoon that spring, 1 found myself talking with Montgomery Clift in East Hampton. Clift, I supposed, had been drinking since the previous day or earlier, but I reminded him that I'd met him in Coffee Dan's on Hollywood Boulevard years before. It'd been the middle of the night and he'd been sitting there with Burt Lancaster and James Jones, who was decked out in Indian jewelry, and all three were pretty pie-eyed. Clift was nipping from a flask and acting out the scene from From Here to Eternity in which he plays the reenlistment blues on a bugle.
From Bruce Kimmel's blog, part of a reminiscence about walking around Hollywood Blvd. when he was 13.
http://www.haineshisway.com/2012/10/HOLLYWOOD/
When I'd get to Vine, I'd cross over to the south side of the boulevard and walk back to Highland. That had many wonders, too, including the Iris Theater, Larry Edmunds bookshop, Bert Wheeler's House of Magic, the New View Theater, the Las Palmas newsstand, the Las Palmas Theater, Coffee Dan's (one of the greatest coffee shops in the history of LA - and the first place I ever had what has become completely trendy again - an iceberg lettuce wedge in Roquefort dressing - along with their amazing "Dodger" burger), the Egyptian, and several big drugstores.