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Old Posted Jul 17, 2018, 10:39 PM
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CFL expansion to Halifax reaches crucial crossroad
Next 4 to 6 weeks could determine if 10th CFL team becomes reality
Devin Heroux CBC Sports July 17 2018

The optimism surrounding yet another attempt at CFL expansion to Atlantic Canada has been extremely cautious. Besides, many have said they've been here before only to have the conversation fall flat.

But since Anthony Leblanc and his business team, Maritime Football, made serious their intention to bring a team to Nova Scotia during Grey Cup week last November, it's felt different.

Even CFL commissioner Randy Ambrosie has fanned the football expansion flames, saying "it's the unfulfilled part of our national dream to have the Maritimes have a football team," and that it would be a "defining moment" to have a team in the Maritimes.

They've all been saying the right things.

Now though, the dream of having a 10th CFL team has reached a pivotal point in the process, one Leblanc says will determine whether or not this will actually happen.

On Tuesday, Halifax regional council approved a motion to begin discussions with Leblanc's group and the province about the viability of a team and a stadium.

"I think everybody should continue to have the optimism we've had all along," Leblanc told CBC Sports ahead of the vote. "We wouldn't be getting into a phase of public discussion if we felt we didn't have good chances of making this happen."

Leblanc said his team has had a number of conversations with elected officials over the last number of weeks and believes there's enough support to continue this venture and feels comfortable they'll be able to move forward.

He said his hope is that administration moves quickly while looking over their proposal to bring a team to Halifax.

"People will say you can't put deadlines on this, but candidly, we can because we're the group that's planning to do this and if we don't feel we're moving the ball down the field, we need to look at what our next steps are."

The deadline Leblanc has suggested is four to six weeks — they want this done by Labour Day. The reason? If they're able to move forward with the project ahead of Labour Day, they want to start a season-ticket drive for football fans in the region to support a team.

It would be right around this same time — if everything goes as planned — that Leblanc also hopes to have the CFL award Maritime Football a conditional franchise.

But what about the stadium?

Leblanc knows building a stadium and its location are the most important parts of this expansion puzzle. Last week it was reported Maritime Football had narrowed the choice down to two spots. However, that's since changed.

"That's speculation," Leblanc said. "We haven't publicly confirmed which sites we're looking at."

Those two reported sites were Dartmouth Crossing and a property behind the Kent store in Bayers Lake business park. Leblanc says they've brought in a new group to help them look more closely at a number of different spots that would be best suited for a multi-purpose development.

"They've been working with us for the last several months and I think it's fair to say we're somewhat back to the drawing board because they want to understand all the sites."

Leblanc said they've looked at seven locations a stadium could be built.

"What we're doing over the next two weeks is reaffirming the sites we've narrowed down are the right sites. We're being incredibly thoughtful on this."

He added the only way they'll be able to make a stadium situation work is that if it includes the multi-purpose model.

Premier says taxpayers won't pay for stadium

Last week Nova Scotia Premier Stephen McNeil made it clear taxpayers won't be on the hook for a CFL stadium in Halifax.

"General revenue is not part of our conversation. I'm not reaching into general revenue to build a football stadium," he told CBC News.

McNeil said he will wait for the formal ask to discuss how the government might contribute to the stadium, but was clear it wouldn't come from general revenue.

"If you have another option, you have a new idea of how I can help, feel free to come and ask," he said. "But don't come in and expect I'm going to write you a cheque."

Leblanc says that was never their expectation and interprets the premier's message this way.

"What he means by that, from what we've been told, is they don't want to see provincial dollars that have already been designated being utilized. We've never contemplated that," Leblanc said.

Leblanc feels new money can be generated from the project and can be put toward building a new stadium.

"We understand as the private sector we have to participate this in a very healthy manner," Leblanc said.
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Council votes for staff report exploring CFL stadium in Halifax
Zane Woodford StarMetro Halifax July 17, 2018

HALIFAX—Regional council has directed staff to take the next steps towards getting a football stadium built in Halifax.

With a unanimous vote (16-0) on Tuesday, council directed municipal staff to enter into talks with Maritime Football Ltd. and the provincial government “to explore opportunities and risks” associated with a stadium and Canadian Football League franchise for the municipality.

The public vote comes about a month after council got an update from Maritime Football Ltd. — the group pursuing a CFL franchise for Halifax — behind closed doors, and Mayor Mike Savage vowed to hold future discussions in public.

That day, TSN’s Dave Naylor reported that the group had reached an agreement with the CFL for a three-step process to secure the league’s 10th team, “with the details and conditions of the first step laid out on paper.”

The report from TSN said the team is hoping to join the league for the 2021 season.

Savage said at the time that council hadn’t heard any numbers and there was no specific funding request from Maritime Football Ltd., but some councillors have discussed possible funding arrangements.

Coun. Tim Outhit polled his residents on Facebook, detailing a scenario where Halifax would waive property taxes for the group for 20 to 25 years, provide municipal services to a stadium and contribute capital funding of tens of millions of dollars.

On Tuesday, Outhit said he’s not sure such an arrangement would be legal, as Halifax isn’t typically allowed to fund private corporations.

Coun. Bill Karsten pointed out that they don’t have the details yet, and that was the whole point of Tuesday’s vote, to find out what exactly Maritime Football Ltd. is asking for.

Karsten said he’s optimistic the plan will work out for the municipality, while Coun. Richard Zurawski said he’s “cautiously pessimistic.”

Coun. Shawn Cleary said he wasn’t hopeful about the venture working out, since Premier Stephen McNeil told reporters last week that the province wouldn’t fund a stadium out of general revenue.

Meanwhile, in an interview with CBC, Maritime Football Ltd. partner Anthony Leblanc said he feels comfortable that there’s enough support for the project to move forward.

Leblanc downplayed rumours that his group had narrowed its search for a stadium location down to two sites; Dartmouth Crossing and Bayers Lake. He said there are seven locations being considered.

There’s no time limit on council’s request for a staff report, but Leblanc told CBC his group is hoping to have its plans firmed up by Labour Day.
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Podcast Ep. 18: Anthony Leblanc on bringing the CFL to Halifax
Sports Business Canada July 17, 2018
Editor’s note: this podcast was recorded on March 24, 2018

“We’re not just going after Haligonians. We’re not just going after other people in Nova Scotia. We want 30% of our attendees to come from New Brunswick, and PEI, and Newfoundland.”

“I’ll guarantee you it will be ‘Atlantic’. I can’t tell you exactly what the actual nickname will be.”

“We think it’s in the 24,000 fixed range but expandable so we can go after events such as a Grey Cup and other international events…”

“A target would probably be 75% of the building sold on season tickets. That’s a hell of goal, but I think it’s achievable in this market.”
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Podcast Ep. 18: Anthony Leblanc on bringing the CFL to Halifax
Sports Business Canada July 17, 2018
Editor’s note: this podcast was recorded on March 24, 2018

“We’re not just going after Haligonians. We’re not just going after other people in Nova Scotia. We want 30% of our attendees to come from New Brunswick, and PEI, and Newfoundland.”

“I’ll guarantee you it will be ‘Atlantic’. I can’t tell you exactly what the actual nickname will be.”

“We think it’s in the 24,000 fixed range but expandable so we can go after events such as a Grey Cup and other international events…”

“A target would probably be 75% of the building sold on season tickets. That’s a hell of goal, but I think it’s achievable in this market.”
24,000 fixed is in line with Hamilton and Ottawa. MTL is just below that as well. Seems to be the new standard in the East. Good number IMO.
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24,000 fixed is in line with Hamilton and Ottawa. MTL is just below that as well. Seems to be the new standard in the East. Good number IMO.
They would probably be OK with 32-34,000 or so for the Grey Cup, with expensive tickets, since at least the first one would be huge in the Maritimes.
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It seems a bit strange to aim for 75% season tickets and 30% out of province. You'd have to be a pretty serious fan to buy season tickets for CFL games in Halifax when you live in New Brunswick or PEI.

It's interesting to think about the catchment areas of some of these stadiums though. In cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Seattle traffic is getting really bad. I have done plenty of trips within metro areas that took longer than trips from suburban Halifax to New Brunswick.
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It seems a bit strange to aim for 75% season tickets and 30% out of province. You'd have to be a pretty serious fan to buy season tickets for CFL games in Halifax when you live in New Brunswick or PEI.
75% of a 24K stadium is 18K season ticket holders. That would be more STHs than Hamilton and Ottawa.

30% of a 24K stadium is roughly 7,400 fans travelling from outside of Nova Scotia for each game.
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Big game for the Riders tonight. Coach is saying the players are inconsistently showing effort in practice and some players agree. Wonder which team shows up tonight.
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75% of a 24K stadium is 18K season ticket holders. That would be more STHs than Hamilton and Ottawa.

30% of a 24K stadium is roughly 7,400 fans travelling from outside of Nova Scotia for each game.
If the CFL is strategic with scheduling and gives Halifax more weekend home game dates then this could be very easy to accomplish.
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^ Speaking of inconsistent, it's the Bombers vs. Toronto on Saturday. If the Bombers lose to Toronto and fall to 2-4, I think we will start hearing some pretty vocal calls for O'Shea's head. Patience is starting to wear thin.
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^ By golly I hope you're right. But Toronto can't be taken lightly... they've played decently except the one game where Calgary handed it to them.
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^ Speaking of inconsistent, it's the Bombers vs. Toronto on Saturday. If the Bombers lose to Toronto and fall to 2-4, I think we will start hearing some pretty vocal calls for O'Shea's head. Patience is starting to wear thin.
There's a pretty big swath of mediocr to poor teams in the CFL right now. Calgary and then everybody else seems pretty accurate for that.
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Hoping for some good games this week. The year so far has been a dud IMO. I seem to recall a lot more closer games and even some OT by this point last year. On the plus side, it seems like we're not talking about the dumb challenges as much and the officiating seems a bit better?? Or is that just me...
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Hoping for some good games this week. The year so far has been a dud IMO. I seem to recall a lot more closer games and even some OT by this point last year. On the plus side, it seems like we're not talking about the dumb challenges as much and the officiating seems a bit better?? Or is that just me...
HUGE improvement on that front.

The games are flowing much better this season, and we're seeing way less of the PI shenanigans that we saw in recent years.

If you like close games, the Bombers Lions game last week went right down to the wire
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Wow. June Jones is being absolutely out coached by Chris Jones. Johnny football night???
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Nice to hear them cheer Fantuz during the gamd between the two teams he played the most for.

Looked to be a rough game after the first quarter for the Riders but they got the win.
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Wow. June Jones is being absolutely out coached by Chris Jones. Johnny football night???
Considering the Cats are 2-3 now you have to wonder how long before they give in to the pressure and start Manziel.

On one hand they aren't really at the point where a team would start getting desperate and turn to the backup QB... I don't think Masoli's play is really the issue, notwithstanding yesterday's weak performance. But on the other hand few backups have Manziel's pedigree. I would totally understand if the Cats kept Manziel on the bench but I would think there must be a pretty strong temptation to at least give him a shot.
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