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Old Posted Feb 8, 2008, 4:02 AM
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more at hazeldean and huntmar/iber
http://www.centrecorp.com/properties.../property.html





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There's going to be a 132,000 square foot development on the southeast corner of Hunt Club and Riverside anchored by T&T Supermarket.
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There's going to be a 132,000 square foot development on the southeast corner of Hunt Club and Riverside anchored by T&T Supermarket.
thanks for the update! do you know who the developer is?
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There's going to be a 132,000 square foot development on the southeast corner of Hunt Club and Riverside anchored by T&T Supermarket.
They need that much space to sell Milo, Peanut Punch, Lucozade, and Carib?....

Its a Trinidad & Tobage thing.
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thanks for the update! do you know who the developer is?
First Capital Realty.
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Are they the same guys who build 'Smart Centres'...aka big box sprawl.
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Are they the same guys who build 'Smart Centres'...aka big box sprawl.
At Hunt Club & Riverside, what do you expect... it's not like they're going to build condos at the end of the runway.

^ These site plans (e.g. Hazeldean / Huntmar) are awful. I thought the city's design guidelines said that the buildings are supposed to be built along the street? The developers seem to be cirvumventing the intent of this by stil putting all the big boxes at the back of the site with acres of parking in front, but then putting in little drug stores/restaurants/banks/etc. along the road and saying: "see? we're building along the street!" It sucks, and the city's letting them get away with it.

The Westboro Loblaws is a big box, but it's built right along the street and it works. Why can't they all be like that?
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At Hunt Club & Riverside, what do you expect... it's not like they're going to build condos at the end of the runway.

^ These site plans (e.g. Hazeldean / Huntmar) are awful. I thought the city's design guidelines said that the buildings are supposed to be built along the street? The developers seem to be cirvumventing the intent of this by stil putting all the big boxes at the back of the site with acres of parking in front, but then putting in little drug stores/restaurants/banks/etc. along the road and saying: "see? we're building along the street!" It sucks, and the city's letting them get away with it.

The Westboro Loblaws is a big box, but it's built right along the street and it works. Why can't they all be like that?

Sorry, didn't read the intersection carefully. That land at the SE corner has been promoted for commercial development for ages.

The drug stores/restaurants/banks stuff that appears in the foreground in these big box areas is sometimes referred to as 'parasitic retail'.. I love that term...however, it is unlikely to appear in any retail market study or at an OMB hearing.
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^ These site plans (e.g. Hazeldean / Huntmar) are awful. I thought the city's design guidelines said that the buildings are supposed to be built along the street? The developers seem to be cirvumventing the intent of this by stil putting all the big boxes at the back of the site with acres of parking in front, but then putting in little drug stores/restaurants/banks/etc. along the road and saying: "see? we're building along the street!" It sucks, and the city's letting them get away with it.
However, the two biggest boxes in the development are right up against Huntmar, which is much more likely to be a pedestrian street then Hazeldean.

I can't ever imagine Hazeldean near Stittsville as somewhere people walk, but I can imagine people walking down Huntmar.
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However, the two biggest boxes in the development are right up against Huntmar, which is much more likely to be a pedestrian street then Hazeldean.

I can't ever imagine Hazeldean near Stittsville as somewhere people walk, but I can imagine people walking down Huntmar.
You know for all the talk from politicians and residents (past and current) about preserving Stittsville's 'village feel' etc, it has got to have one of the ugliest entrances to a community/village in Ottawa. When you enter from the east along Hazeldean and from the north on Carp Road, you get the ugliest collection of speculative farmland, half baked commercial development (in what were residential properties), ugly strip/ribbon development etc. I don't live in Stittsville but what you see from the edges is not too inviting...thoughts, comments, contradictory viewpoints.
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The new Super Wal Mart at Maloney/Autoroute 50 in Gatineau opened just over a week ago. I went there with my wife last weekend, just because 'we had to check out what they had'. The aisles are wide enough that a half-ton truck could easily navigate through them. I think it's about 1/4 of a mile from end to end. What a colossus.
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First Capital Realty.
thanks...here's an aerial and a link from their site
http://www.firstcapitalrealty.ca/liv...s.cfm?p_id=187

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Hazeldean shopping centre nearly ready for construction

Though plans to build a shopping
centre on Hazeldean Road between
Kanata and Stittsville have hit some
roadblocks, retail space is already 80
per cent leased, according to FoTenn
consultant Miguel Tremblay.

The consulting company representative
is hoping construction can begin
this summer.

City planner Kalle Hakala said a zoning
amendment needs approval before
building can begin, which could take a
while because an appeal is before the
Ontario Municipal Board.

“We can’t give (the plan) our blessing
until it’s appealed,” Hakala said. In
the meantime, he said the developers
– Trinity Developer Group – and city
staff are working out other details.
Traffic, esthetics, shipping access and
other necessities are being looked at,
said Hakala. Also, the proposal has been
circulated to several interest groups who
have until Feb. 21 to give feedback.

“All comments will come back to
me,” said Hakala, adding that he’ll
meet with the developers to discuss any
changes. “We’ll make sure everyone is
on the same page.”

No public consultation meetings are
required for this stage of the development.

The site for the shopping centre
is on the north side of Hazeldean Road,
just west of the Carp River.

The 8.8-hectare site will be developed
and leased in four phases. There
will be 11 buildings in total covering
over 37,000 square metres with parking
surrounding them, according to the site
proposal.

“It’s a good scenario that brings retail
services that we need to the community,
as long as it’s done at the same
time as the Hazeldean expansion,” said
Stittsville-Kanata West Coun. Qadri.

Hazealdean Road is set to be widened
in 2011, but Qadri said he is pushing
to move that to next year to lessen
the inconvenience for drivers while the
centre is being built.

“I don’t want the community impacted
twice, I want it to happen simultaneously,”
he said, adding that the infrastructure
needs to be in place to deal
with additional traffic.

Even if road construction begins in
2009 the centre will probably be nearly
completed by then, if Tremblay’s
timeline stays on schedule. He said two
phases are set to go up this summer and
open next year.

“No one expected it to go that fast,”
Tremblay said about finding tenants
and starting the work. “That says a lot
about Stittsville and the retail market in
particular.”

Public comment can be directed to
Hakala at 613-580-2424, extension
16228. The deadline for input is Feb.
21. Trinity representatives were unavailable
for comment.
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Hazeldean shopping centre nearly ready for construction

Though plans to build a shopping
centre on Hazeldean Road between
Kanata and Stittsville have hit some
roadblocks, retail space is already 80
per cent leased, according to FoTenn
consultant Miguel Tremblay.


City planner Kalle Hakala said a zoning
amendment needs approval before
building can begin, which could take a
while because an appeal is before the
Ontario Municipal Board.

“We can’t give (the plan) our blessing
until it’s appealed,” Hakala said
.
I don't understand the quote about the appeal...I think there was a misquote and it should say 'until the appeal has been dealt with by the OMB'.
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the good news about Hazeldean/Huntmar is that there is rapid transit planned for the area

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Kanata West plan goes before OMB


Patrick Dare, The Ottawa Citizen

Published: Wednesday, February 20, 2008

The City of Ottawa's controversial plans to allow building in Kanata West, near the Carp River, is before the Ontario Municipal Board this week, through an appeal by water resources engineer Ted Cooper.

Mr. Cooper, a City of Ottawa employee who has made it his mission to question the city's decision to allow development on about 700 hectares around Scotiabank Place, is using holiday time to act as his own advocate in the matter. His appeal is of the city's rezoning of 17 rural and agricultural hectares north of Hazeldean Road at the Carp River, where the Trinity Development Group wants commercial development that would include large stores.

On Wednesday, the city's planning manager for the Kanata area, Donald Herweyer, said the proposed development has been through many planning approvals and will include land for transit and a realigned and improved Hazeldean Creek. The Trinity development is to be part of the mix of housing, recreation and businesses outlined in the Kanata West plan approved by city council.

"It implements city council's vision. It represents good planning," he said.

Mr. Herweyer noted that the portions of the Trinity lands that are in flood plain will have have rezoning withheld, at least until there are measures in place to improve the flow of water and reduce flood risk in the area.

Under cross-examination by Mr. Cooper, Mr. Herweyer acknowledged that some of the developments in the area had incurred slightly onto floodplain.


He was unaware of the serious flooding problems encountered by the Hazeldean Housing Co-operative, which was built on floodplain against the wishes of the former City of Kanata and after a fight at the municipal board, which ordered the development to proceed.

Mr. Cooper has repeatedly raised questions about the wisdom of building on the Kanata West lands because of concerns about flooding, which has been a problem in Kanata in recent years. The city has called a halt to some of the development projects in Kanata West due to errors made in the modelling study that projects water flow and quantities in the area. The city is promising to bring in an independent engineering consultant to double-check the data.

Mr. Cooper had to decide whether to argue his case at the hearing or to offer evidence himself, since board rules forbade him to do both. He decided to argue the case and today is expected to call a fellow water engineer at the city to testify. The hearing is being presided over by municipal board member Susan Schiller. Lawyer Tim Marc represents the city and lawyer Joel Farber represents Trinity.
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The Denley article doesn't think too highly of the City Pl'g Dep't Manager who gave testimony other than the fact that he laid out the process that was followed. I'm sure it is an interesting OMB Hearing.
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The Westboro Loblaws is a big box, but it's built right along the street and it works. Why can't they all be like that?
I wouldn't go so far as to say that "it works". It's built to the street all right, but Loblaws has done just about all they can do to make sure it doesn't work. For one, along the street would have been the obvious place to put all the "accessory" stores that Loblaws loves, like the photo and electronics shop, the dry cleaners, the wine store, PC Financial, the pharmacy, etc. These would have broken up the facade and promoted some street life on Richmond, rather than the empty concrete expanse that now exists. True, some of these are along Richmond, but guess what? You can't get to them from the street. And if you could, they're 2 feet above the sidewalk level. You have to go in one of Loblaws' entrances, and, wouldn't you know it, they've turned most of those on Richmond into unidirectional fire exits. Thinking of popping in to pick up some flowers and a card for your loved one? No can do - you have to go halfway down the block, walk back to the card and flowers area, walk back to the check out and then head back outside. Ok, but surely one can make use of the patio-like thing outside the restaurant/cafe on the northwest corner. Well, if it was possible initially (I seem to think it was), it isn't now since that door is, yes, you guessed it, an alarmed fire exit. Loblaws even wants you to take a longer way in to get to the cafe.

Well at least it works for people doing grocery shopping from their cars, right? Well, no. You're funnelled along a fairly narrow passageway that often gets congested past the photo store and drycleaners, then past the takeout counter (which is usually busy with people hanging around), before you can finally round the corner to begin shopping in the fish and vegetable department. It could have been designed so that the dry cleaners didn't exist in that spot near the parking lot entrance, which would put you immediately in the bread/fish/vegetable section, avoiding the congested passageway and takeout counter. And if you just want some milk and eggs for tomorrow morning's breakfast, well that's an expedition to the other end of the store. The Westboro Loblaws does nothing to facilitate, let alone promote, pedestrian/cycle/transit-based frequent grocery shopping and they even manage to make car-based shopping annoying as well.

The tragedy of the Westboro Loblaws is that from an urban design perspective, they got it about 90% right but then internally/operationally they got it about 90% wrong. The only saving grace from a long term perspective is that since the building is in the right place it can be "repaired" in the future.
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Manotick residents cool to big-box store plans

Proposal for restaurant-retail development would kill village's downtown, residents warn
Jessey BirdThe Ottawa Citizen
Friday, February 22, 2008

Manotick residents returned to the battlefield last night, arguing against a proposed 144,000-square-foot commercial complex on the outskirts of the community.

The development would rezone an agricultural area located at the intersection of Mitch Owens and River Road.

Though no plans have been finalized, city planners say the development has the capacity for six retail buildings, two restaurant "pods" and two big-box stores.

At an information meeting held by Trinity Development Group Inc., almost 150 residents voiced their concern, and in some cases, outrage.

"I'm definitely against the development," said Janis Mazpolis, who has lived in Manotick for 20 years. "The population is not big enough to support these stores.

"It will create a dead area in the centre of town," he added, expressing worry that the big- box stores would close down area businesses.

"This is not the sort of thing Manotick wants," said Mr. Mazpolis. "It is a small community and we want to stay small and avoid all the pollution and traffic that big-box stores bring."

Traffic is one of the main concerns of Rideau-Goulbourn Councillor Glenn Brooks.

"River Road is now at capacity," said Mr. Brooks. "Both at peak hours in the morning, and in the afternoon."

"If you've got large box stores, people from the west are going to be driving over and the only way you can get to the proposed development would be to come through the village of Manotick."

Gloucester-South Nepean Councillor Steve Desroches, was also in attendance.

"The first strike with the Trinity proposal is that it is taking away agricultural land," he said. "The second is that we're putting big- box development on the doorsteps of a village."

"I am disappointed this is even being discussed," said Joanne Plummer, who has owned Manotick's Mill Street Florist for 21 years. "Especially after all of the community concern about the Mahogany Harbour redevelopment."

On Feb. 14, the city rejected a proposed subdivision by Minto that would build 1,400 homes and double the size of Manotick. Minto plans to appeal the matter to the Ontario Municipal Board.

"It is integral to the fabric of our village that we are a little village separated from the urban landscape," said Ms. Plummer. "We are supposed to be an island in the ocean."

Trinity officials said they were interested in feedback, and they provided a variety of consultants to address concerns about issues such as traffic.

"We've seen what this can do to other villages," said Jeannette Doe, who owns a coffee shop and pet store in the village. "I'm worried about losing our village charm."

Osgoode Councillor Doug Thompson, who represents the ward where the development would be built, has yet to publicly state his position.

"This is just the early stages, so I want to hear what the residents have to say," said Mr. Thompson. "I'll make my decision known with the agricultural and rural affairs committee."

Mr. Brooks said he is skeptical that Trinity will get much support from area residents. "I've represented this area for 30 years, and certainly they do not want to have big- box stores."

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