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Originally Posted by Crawford
But the Bay Area builds tons of multifamily for U.S. standards, and is the most expensive metro. Your dream scenario would be somewhere like Toronto or Vancouver, but those areas are even more unaffordable relative to incomes than Bay Area.
You can't really build your way to affordability (I mean you can, in theory, but not in practical reality).
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With the Greenbelt and downtown job growth, it's inevitable that Toronto will build a lot of multi-family even if the zoning only allows that to be done in a rather inefficient way, so it's not a surprise that housing there is still quite expensive. It's not just about how much multi-family gets built, but how and what kind of multi-family gets built.
I would also dispute that Toronto is more unaffordable. Downtown condos are much cheaper in Toronto than in San Francisco, and condos and narrow lot homes in the urban neighbourhoods outside downtown seem a bit cheaper in Toronto too. San Francisco does have cheaper suburban SFHs in its less desirable suburbs, but overall I'd say it's pretty even.
Rents on the other hand are undoubtably more affordable in Toronto, where you can find downtown condos for $1800/month, while in downtown San Francisco those would typically cost over $4000/month... Even a modest 3 bedroom home in the suburbs is cheaper to rent in Toronto, and I'd say overall, the Bay Area is about 50% more expensive to rent in adjusted for incomes.
It's interesting that out of the 3 biggest cities in English Canada, Vancouver is the most low income and also most expensive, while Calgary is the wealthiest and least expensive, with Toronto having similar prices to Vancouver and slightly higher incomes. Calgary allows both more greenfield growth and also has fairly permissive zoning in its core, leading higher rates of population growth in its urban core than either Toronto or Vancouver.