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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 5:30 PM
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Upgraded arenas provide more options for increased revenue and owners put the "attendance is down" spin on it to make it an easier sell. If sarver told anyone it will give him the ability to put in more expensive seats, clubs, and food and beverage outlets they'd tell him to pound sand.

Luckily it seems our city council is smart enough to see the bigger scope.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 5:53 PM
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Yep, very true, I really don't know what they could do besides new seats and a new scoreboard. I think the screen is actually smaller that it used to be with the VERIZON phone looking screen they've had for a couple years. I sat in a suite last week, idk what u can do to make it better. I guess it will be more around the arena, wider hallways, they already have all kinds of new food. Had Pork on a Fork when I was there at the other game I went to. What can you really do, they are giving tickets away for 5 bucks. They need to start winning and that will put people in the seats agreed. But bottom line, they need to stay downtown, idk if other places are going through this but us being the soon to be second oldest arena, that's not by much. Chicago's United Center, The TD Boston Garden, Portland arena, Phillys arena, Quicken Loans arena all opened within a few years after ours. Idk why they are saying second oldest, The T'Wolves Target Center opened in 1990 but looks like they are doing renovations and theirs is only costing 140 Mil, hmmmmm. Of Course Madison Square Garden is the oldest.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 6:08 PM
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decrease capacity for one, this enables you to offer larger seats which can carry an even larger premium. You also have limited the number of people who can get a ticket which further raises ticket prices.

Don't forget there are a lot of moving parts in that arena's lower bowl, a reconfiguration would be probably top of their list.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 9:19 PM
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It's been cited numerous times that "supposedly" the arena is having a tough time pulling in top concerts/music acts due to the increasing complexity of stages/shows put on by artists. Not sure if a valid reason but if there are indeed limits to the type of shows TSRA can pull in because of this, then a reconfig makes sense. I disagree that a reduction in capacity is needed...just look back at the mid-2000s when Steve Nash was here. The Suns consistently sold out the arena and at some point, there was a wait list for new season tickets. Put a winning product on the floor and the fans will flock back.

I also remember reading a while back the "claustrophobic" nature of the concourse with narrow hallways and low ceilings. This is true. Just look at what SDS did with their renovation and how it's night/day difference. Of course, the changes at SDS were needed to improve airflow due to it not being climate controlled. Anyways, Suns are not going anywhere and how many others have said already, politics are playing into this and they will change their tune once candidate is elected. However, I do agree that Sarver needs to pony up more cash.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 9:41 PM
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I didn't say it's needed, I said that's one of the things they could do in response to the poster above me saying "I really don't know what else they could do". Team owners have long loved to decrease capacity when remodeling arenas and stadiums as a way to jack up ticket prices and increase revenue. The diamondbacks did it recently and many teams in the past have done it.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 6:38 AM
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Idk if a lower seat count would be a good idea. They already reduced it from 19,023 down to 18,422 I think with the last renovation. I think ideally the arena should be 20,000 plus. I guess you could charge more if seats are larger but will people really pay? People aren't gonna pay when they are giving tickets away and we are losing unfortunately. Now I sound like I'm against the renovations,lol. We have all kinds of good food options now, I guess just wider hallways, if this renovation is really over 400 million I assume there is gonna be a lot of reconfiguring to the lower bowl. The question is, will they have to play at Gila River for a year possibly? As far as concerts? It seems there's been more than ever to me anyway, I just went to Jay Z a couple weeks back, Bruno Mars was here after that, Fall Out Boy in a couple days. Gila River gets a few every year but I think Talking Stick still pretty much owns getting most of the concerts even if they think it's not going to sell out, they see even a half filled arena is better than the arena sitting empty for a night.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 4:07 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks the acoustics in America West Arena sucks? I've seen Rush there two or three times (I know, shut up...) and it always sounds like garbage compared to when I've seen them at Desert Sky.

Ditto Springsteen and Stevie Wonder at Glendale Arena. The only arena show with halfway decent acoustics I've seen was Metallica at University of Phoenix Stadium back in August.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 9:26 PM
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Suns aren't going to make any drastic changes to the total capacity. Might reduce by a few hundred, nothing beyond that...

If memory serves correctly, Talking Stick is already the 6th smallest venue in the NBA by total capacity.

And if they go any lower, that puts the Suns in 'NCAA' sized territory.
Believe McKale Center holds 15,000 (granted, UA stuffs their fans in there).
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 9:40 PM
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Don't forget there are a lot of moving parts in that arena's lower bowl, a reconfiguration would be probably top of their list.

Correct! I have been involved in stadium facility upgrades in the past - ranging from 30MM to 300MM. I anticipate seeing the Suns renovations narrowed down to five focuses. In no particular order:

1) Transition the LOWER BOWL from temporary seating to permanent
2) Completely overhaul all FAN AMENITIES within the facility. Bathrooms, Food, person flow (big one), presentation within the concourse, stairs, elevators, suites, ticket office, etc.
3) TEAM FACILITIES. The top-25 NCAA basketball programs have better locker rooms, training facilities, sports medicine facilities than the Suns.
4) GAME EXPERIENCE & TECHNOLOGY. Expect a complete refresh of the centerhung videoboard & halos, ring LEDs, secondary displays, sound system, enhanced wi-fi, fan interaction, stat information, social media integration, etc. You could see the TV Broadcast infrastructure get an upgrade as part of this.
5) Improve ARENA INFRASTRUCTURE for concert and secondary event purposes. Suns need to keep that flow of income going well into the future!
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 11:05 PM
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All things that would be on the list for most owners. Almost every one of those things helps toward increasing revenue especially if your investment is only a minimal amount.
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Old Posted Yesterday, 3:34 PM
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Just walked by Adams and Central. They are installing trees, not palm trees.
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Just walked by Adams and Central. They are installing trees, not palm trees.
Ash trees to be exact. Great news!
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Ash trees to be exact. Great news!
Interesting. I wonder if that was the plan all along, or if the negative reaction to the removal of the ficus trees brought about a change in plans.
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Nothing better than ash trees. Planted a fan Tex in my yard last month.
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