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Old Posted Jul 10, 2013, 1:39 AM
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what crap -- not surprised. now we get to not look at that from the train and of course there is one big reason less to be curious and amazed and want to go down there.

aww well, i am just being selfish. its their property they can do what they want. everybody get to 5pointz this summer one last time while you can!

oh and for all you real deal graffiti gurus, i can think of more than a few similar bldgs in the bronx where you could pick this game up again. just sayin.
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^ They can still do so on their own properties, assuming they have walls, inside or out.


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City Planning approves condo plan for LIC’s 5Pointz





August 21, 2013


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Two residential towers with retail space, outdoor art and possibly a swimming pool will soon take the place of the 5Pointz graffiti art site in Long Island City. The City Planning Commission voted unanimously to approve a plan to convert the street art mecca.

Developer David Wolkoff expressed a desire to tear down the artist warehouse by the end of the year — and 5Pointz artists are planning a rally in its defense.

Along with a vote for the new development, which will include “some affordable housing,” the commission approved zoning changes for a $1 billion Hallets Point project along the Astoria waterfront. A grand total of 2,600 units are part of the plan, which received commission-level approval today, following Community Board One’s vote of support in May.
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That is a lot of units, wow.

Although I've changed my mind and now think they should preserve the walls, Berlin wall style...would be a shame just to demo.
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That is a lot of units, wow.

Although I've changed my mind and now think they should preserve the walls, Berlin wall style...would be a shame just to demo.

The last thing people who move into new apartments want to look at is a wall of graffiti. I don't understand the artists who are complaining. When someone lets you use a space for a number of years until a time comes when they need it, you say "thank you". When that time comes, and you can no longer use it, you say "thank you" again, and move on.
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The last thing people who move into new apartments want to look at is a wall of graffiti. I don't understand the artists who are complaining. When someone lets you use a space for a number of years until a time comes when they need it, you say "thank you". When that time comes, and you can no longer use it, you say "thank you" again, and move on.
maybe remove the walls with the most worthy "artworks" and install in other parts of the city. This is what I meant re: berlin wall.
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Developer Pledges to More Than Double Affordable Units in 5 Pointz Plan





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The developer behind a controversial plan to replace Queens graffiti center 5 Pointz with a pair of luxury high-rises has agreed to more than double the number of affordable housing units in the proposal.

At a City Council hearing Wednesday, David Wolkoff of G&M Realty said the company will include 209 affordable apartments in its plan for 22-44 Jackson Ave., up from the 75 units agreed to in June.

"Our development will have a positive impact on the community," Wolkoff told members of the City Council's zoning subcommittee, saying G&M Realty would make its "best efforts" to rent the units to Long Island City residents.

Wolkoff said they agreed to the change — as well as a pledge that the project would create 1,000 union jobs — after discussions with City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, who called the amendments "substantial."

"The increase in affordable housing is very important to me, and very important to many people," Van Bramer said at Wednesday's hearing, the first of two City Council hearings planned for the proposal.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/ny...&emc=rss&_r=2&

City Council to Decide Fate of Mecca for Graffiti Artists





By SARAH MASLIN NIR and CHARLES V. BAGLI
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The New York City Council is expected on Wednesday to decide the fate of 5Pointz, the brick warehouses slathered in oversized graffiti that became a cultural institution in a once-working-class neighborhood of Queens.

.....Mr. Van Bramer, the councilman, said that there was no stopping the project. “The truth is there was not a way to save the building,” he said. “The building is privately owned; the owners can knock that down and build a very large building.”

In a series of meetings, Mr. Van Bramer and Jerry Wolkoff, a Brooklyn-raised developer known for his blustery style, ironed out the details of a deal.

Most of the warehouses on site are now vacant. The artists’ studios and garment shops sit empty, awaiting demolition. David Wolkoff said he would begin work on the $400 million project with the base of the building and the 47-story tower. If demand for the apartments keeps up, he said, the second, 41-story tower would follow fairly quickly.



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5 Pointz is coming down, as city approves special permit




October 9 2013
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It’s official: The 5 Pointz graffiti icon will be coming down.

The application put forward by G&M Realty to demolish the site and erect 1,000 apartment units–370 more units than what is permitted under current zoning rules—was approved by the New York City Council this afternoon.

The council’s decision to approve the special zoning permit was influenced by an agreement struck between Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer and the owners of G&M Realty, Jerry and David Wolkoff.

.....With the special zoning permit, the Wolkoffs are now able to develop two residential towers, one 47 stories high and the other 41 stories. They expect to demolish the graffiti mecca by the end of the year—and complete one of the towers by 2015.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2013, 12:40 AM
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Good.

I'm tired of the entitlement crowd bitching about a building that doesn't belong to them and has been explicitly slated for demolition/renovation. If they don't like their art coming down, they should have gone somewhere else, especially since from the start there was always the well publicized risk of the building being torn down.
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I think having the 209 affordable units made it an easy decision for city council.
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Apparently the developer also upped the art space within from 2,000 sq. feet to 12,000 sq. feet.
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Apparently the developer also upped the art space within from 2,000 sq. feet to 12,000 sq. feet.
They don't care about the new art space...

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.....Wolkoff has agreed to build about 20 artists studios—up from the five that he initially proposed when he filed his plan in April. The amount of studio and gallery space equates to about 12,000 square feet. This space is expected to be available to local residents at reasonable rates.

The developers have also agreed to offer the 5 Pointz graffiti group the opportunity to curate the nearly 10,000 square feet of art panels & walls in the building.

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.....artists who worked at 5Pointz and helped it become a street-art mecca, drawing international artists and delighting riders on the nearby No. 7 elevated train, were not persuaded by the developer’s concessions. Jonathan Cohen, a graffiti artist who curated the ever-changing art at 5Pointz, said the plan will “just destroy more of what made New York what it is. Now it is just boring, full of bland boring towers of boxes of glass,” he said.

He scoffed at an idea floated by the developers that he curate graffiti spaces when construction is complete, dismissing it as a marketing ploy by the developer.

“Yes, he gave us the wall for free, but we have put tremendous amount of work in it for the past 11 years and contributed to putting Long Island City on the map,” said Marie Flageul, a spokeswoman for 5Pointz.

Mr. Van Bramer, the councilman, said that there was no stopping the project. “The truth is there was not a way to save the building,” he said.

I'm sure the all of the people who moved to new buildings there over the past decade do so to be closer to 5Pointz (sarcasm). The building was going to be demolished, no matter what. What had to go through the approval process was the size of the development that would replace it. That's part of the problem with these people. The put too much effort and talk into trying to stop something that they cannot. They probably could have gotten more from the developer if they had joined forces to push this thing through, made some type of deal. But in the end, it was always up to the developers.

As for more graffiti, just take a ride on the 7 train, and look out the window. They've apparently been busy all over western Queens, not just 5Pointz.
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Founders of 5Pointz file lawsuit to block demolition of grafitti mecca
Comes 1 day after owners Jerry and David Wolkoff secured City Council approval to knock down Long Island City building and build luxury apartment towers in its place.






By Clare Trapasso
October 10, 2013


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The artists who turned a former water meter factory in Long Island City into an international graffiti destination are not giving up without a fight.

The founders of the 5Pointz Aerosol Art Center filed a lawsuit to prevent developers from tearing down the building to put up a pair of luxury towers in its stead.

“We know it’s gonna be a long road, but we are hopeful,” said Marie Flageul, a spokeswoman for 5Pointz.

The suit seeking a temporary restraining order comes a day after the City Council approved developer G & M Realty’s plans to build the 41- and 47-towers larger than the zoning currently allows

“I’m sure they just want to keep the building there — which is not going to happen,” said David Wolkoff, who owns the property with his father Jerry Wolkoff. “After close to two decades of allowing them to do their work freely, it’s a shame ... that they won’t allow us to do our work freely.”

The Wolkoffs made a series of concessions that helped them secure city approval: They upped the number of affordable units and space to be set aside for artists, and promised to allow grafitti artists to decorate panels outside the new buildings.

The building, which the Wolkoffs allowed to legally be covered with graffiti murals for over a decade, is believed to house what could be the world’s largest collection of street art, which will be lost when the building is demolished by the end of the year.

““We owe it to the artists,” said Flageul. “5Pointz is by the people, for the people.”


It's too bad that these people don't realize that with their actions, no property owner in the future is going to all such a thing to happen again. They've worn out their welcome, and then some.
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This "it belongs to us" attitude is disgusting. Every single artist who contributed to this building knew that it was slated for development. The owner was gracious enough to let them use it as space and from what I understand, the owners always made it quite clear that the building was going to be demoed. The artists entitlement mentality is ridiculous.


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Founders of 5Pointz file lawsuit to block demolition of grafitti mecca
Comes 1 day after owners Jerry and David Wolkoff secured City Council approval to knock down Long Island City building and build luxury apartment towers in its place.






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It's too bad that these people don't realize that with their actions, no property owner in the future is going to all such a thing to happen again. They've worn out their welcome, and then some.
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This "it belongs to us" attitude is disgusting. Every single artist who contributed to this building knew that it was slated for development. The owner was gracious enough to let them use it as space and from what I understand, the owners always made it quite clear that the building was going to be demoed. The artists entitlement mentality is ridiculous.
Like a lot of things, they probably never thought it would happen. Some people just refuse to accept things until its too late. They should have organized to find a more permanent space somewhere. But with the wave of development washing over that area, they should have known the end was imminent.

The lawsuit is ridiculous. If the Wokoffs wanted to be spiteful, they would paint over the entire thing before demoing it. As a matter of fact, I would get down to it right away. I'd show those ungrateful bastards, lol.
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Banksy loses fight to save graffiti capital




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November 8, 2013

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Banksy has lost his final New York tussle with The Man.

The street artist threw his weight behind a fight to preserve a famed Long Island City graffiti mecca – but a Brooklyn federal judge said Friday that the building is “coming down.”

Banksy’s work became a central topic in the court battle over 5 Pointz, an otherwise derelict warehouse used by the biggest names in aerosol art that draws gawkers from around the world.

Attorneys for the artists cited a law that prohibits the destruction of art to block the demolition while property owner lawyers said the colorful pieces don’t qualify. Pointz lawyers repeatedly pointed to the massive popularity and notoriety of Banksy’s temporary installations as proof that longevity and permanence are not required to qualify something as legitimate art.

The artist personally weighed in on the controversy on his Web site just before he concluded his New York residency. “Save 5 Pointz,’ he wrote.

The shadowy stencil king’s name was frequently broached in court to help win over Judge Frederic Block – but the jurist flatly stated that property rights trump artist rights in this instance. “The building, unfortunately, is going to have to come down,” he said Friday in front of deflated 5 Pointz defenders.

Despite that conclusion, Block lamented the inevitable loss of the exisitng 5 Pointz pieces and argued with a bespectacled art professor who dismissed them as legitimate works.

Block invoked Banksy’s mushrooming notoriety in suggesting to John Jay assistant professor Erin Thompson that permanence doesn’t equate to legitimacy. Thompson countered that she couldn’t find a single Google reference to the individual pieces currently on display at the site – a clear sign that they didn’t qualify as the type art that is protected by law.

Graffiti artists have been freely applying their paint to the building’s exterior since the 1990s without interference from building owners Jerry and David Wolkoff.

But the pair want now to demolish to building to develop high end condos in the rapidly gentriying section of Queens.
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The owners were very nice to these "artists".
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Wolkoffs whitewash 5Pointz with police protection





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With New York’s finest by their side, 5Pointz owners Jerry and David Wolkoff whitewashed the graffiti mecca last night. The owners plan to tear down the building and construct two residential towers at the Long Island City site, despite vehement opposition from the artistic community.

Opponents of the development plan, slated for at 22-44 Jackson Avenue, turned to the Landmarks Preservation Commission last weekend, hoping the agency would save the building by designating it a historic landmark, Curbed reported.

City Council approved the development plans in October, after the Wolkoffs agreed to build and staff the buildings with 100 percent union workers. Opponents also lost a bid for a court order stopping the Wolkoffs from going ahead.
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What Vandals Call Vandalism
The whitewashing of 5Pointz sparks outrage from the usual quarters.


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New York’s high priests of hipsterdom awoke Tuesday morning to find their temple destroyed. A block of colorful warehouses in Long Island City that had become a public canvas for the city’s aerosol artists and a sacred shrine for graffiti lovers was whitewashed by its owners overnight. Developers Jerry and David Wolkoff announced that they will demolish the buildings—known as 5Pointz—next year and replace them with a $400 million high-rise tower containing condos and shops. “I own the property and I have the right to paint over it,” said Jerry Wolkoff.

In predictable fashion, Gotham’s spray-can vandals and their admirers decried the move as the heartless act of greedy capitalists. The New York Times reported that those participating in a candlelight vigil at the site on Tuesday “reeled in shock” at what one mourner called “a really big slap in the face” to as many as 1,500 street artists whose work was erased. French-born artist Marie Cecile Flageul told a reporter for 1010 WINS that the Wolkoffs’ act was equivalent to “murder” and “genocide.” Pierre Fillet, also French and also an artist, told the New York Daily News, “This is vandalism.”

That reaction was common on Twitter as well, especially among those with no memory of an earlier era, when New Yorkers didn’t find graffiti charming. “So sad to see graffiti mecca #5Pointz painted white to prep for luxury condos,” tweeted journalist Marcus Baram, a former senior editor at the Huffington Post whose Facebook page notes that he’s from Boston. BuzzFeed reporter Rosie Gray tweeted a link to the story, adding “I can’t believe this is really happening.” A 2012 profile in Glamour notes that Massachusetts-born Gray is 23 and moved to New York “a few years ago to study at NYU, yet is already on her second full-time journalism gig.” Some acknowledged that the owners had a right to paint their property, but asserted heretofore unknown rights of their own. “#5Pointz painted white over night. I know the bldg had an owner, but it was our view,” tweeted Greg Mocker, a television reporter with local station WPIX. Mocker’s online bio says he moved to New York in 2008.

Maybe, to put a different spin on mayor-elect Bill de Blasio’s favorite image, there really are two New Yorks—the city that remembers how graffiti contributed to the high crime and lawless atmosphere of the pre-Giuliani/Bloomberg-era, and the one that doesn’t. The first New York looks at the kaleidoscopic walls of 5Pointz and feels a chill run down its spine. The second sees 5Pointz and thinks, “This is what makes New York special.” The first asserts that the city has an obligation to protect the rights of property owners. The second thinks that defacing private property is a consequence-free creative choice.

As mayor-elect of the largest city in the United States, de Blasio now inherits the responsibility to govern both New Yorks. Luckily for him, graffiti is not a new public policy issue. As Heather Mac Donald has noted, conquering the graffiti problem in New York’s blighted and dangerous subway system in the 1980s was key to rescuing the city from the chaos that had engulfed it in the 1960s and 1970s. “The final elimination of subway graffiti in 1989 was the precondition for the reincarnation of New York in the 1990s as the embodiment of urban cool,” she wrote in 2011. Without that reincarnation, 22-year-old aspiring reporters from Massachusetts and hyperbolic French artists may never have felt comfortable migrating to a city where a developer could consider investing in a luxury building in Long Island City—a neighborhood long given over to factories and warehouses.
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"the Wolkoffs’ act was equivalent to “murder” and “genocide.” "

I hope this entitled, spoiled s**t runs into an actual survivor of murder or genocide so he realizes what an absolute twat he is.
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