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Geting back to the "poor door"...


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THIS is the building with the poor doors?! I remember hearing about that a while back. I had no idea this was it! This makes me look at it differently.
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The whole, "poor door" thing is BS anyways. Manhattan is one of the most exclusive places to live in the whole world. There is no sane reason to subsidize poor people leaving there when they could live virtually anywhere else in the US for far less. There's no God given right to live on Manhattan. I sure as shit couldn't afford to, but I assume I make too much money to get the poor door apartment either. Middle Class getting screwed per usual.
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The whole controversy came from extell's riverside park tower. There was a pretty big uproar over having a 2nd door for the affordable tenants- politicians and community leaders all shook their fists. In that project though the affordable units aren't scattered throughout the building, but put in one wing in the back. It functioned as 2 adjacent buildings, but they were built in one structure. Affordable tenants actually complained they couldn't get the same amenities as the market rate units.

The lesson every developer learned instantly was that if you were going to separate the affordable units then they just need to be in their own building. Take this project, doing functionally the same thing as with riverside, and no one has raised an objection. People just have weird rules and expectations in their heads about what is socially acceptable.
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The whole, "poor door" thing is BS anyways. Manhattan is one of the most exclusive places to live in the whole world. There is no sane reason to subsidize poor people leaving there when they could live virtually anywhere else in the US for far less. There's no God given right to live on Manhattan. I sure as shit couldn't afford to, but I assume I make too much money to get the poor door apartment either. Middle Class getting screwed per usual.
Millions of people live here, including families, and have for hundreds of years. Some people are born and raised in Manhattan and it's all they've ever known. Obviously Manhattan has become very successful and is now known as a playground for the rich all across the world, and it's true there's no God given right to live in Manhattan, but for families that have lived there for generations before the super rich started taking over, it is unfortunate to be forced out like that. Imagine being in their shoes and being told why can't you just move somewhere else, and make room for all these rich people. Meanwhile all your friends, family, and everyone you've ever known your entire life are here.
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^^^

I agree, plus its the poor and middle class that provide a lot of culture. Can't just be a collection of rich folks. If you gut a city of the people that helped make it great, dynamic, and lively... it becomes a boring country club.

Granted Manhattan is pricey, and there is the whole city, but NY's problem with affordability tends to be the upper extreme in certain neighborhoods. As a whole, its not out of reach, even for a middle class or low-income range.

The problem arises when the whole damn city becomes super expensive. Think Manhattan prices but everywhere like in Queens/Brooklyn/Bronx.

Niche towers by Extell target the rich by nature. Only way to really make a profit when it comes to how much they can make per unit to account for the u/c costs.

With Manhattan, and I'll leave it at this, its still in reach for many... its just not easy thats all. You can still make 50-70k and survive.

Globally, NYC is cheap compared to its sister cities and competitors. London, Paris, Moscow, Hong Kong... make NY look like a section 8 housing as a whole in terms of prices per sq/ft. City limits should be the standard, not just certain neighborhoods. In the end, more housing is needed, and increased density zoning of the outer boroughs. That and the bread and butter of the city, transit.
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Globally, NYC is cheap compared to its sister cities and competitors. London, Paris, Moscow, Hong Kong... make NY look like a section 8 housing as a whole in terms of prices per sq/ft.
High end housing in NYC is much more expensive than all of those cities, excepting HK (which doesn't really have apples-to-apples housing).

Probably 2x that of Paris and 3x that of Moscow (which is basically still a developing world city).
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The problem arises when the whole damn city becomes super expensive. Think Manhattan prices but everywhere like in Queens/Brooklyn/Bronx.
The bold is already happening. There are now parts of Brooklyn more expensive than some parts of Manhattan.
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From the air. Will really appreciate once the rest of the LES towers rise.

We can see the impact on the neighborhood is profound, dwarfing everything, but also signalling the expansion of downtown towards the LES.


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