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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 1:28 PM
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What a craptacular, boring, un-inspired design from SOM. Really surprised. Previous one looked much better, shame.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 2:55 PM
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Title should be changed:

NEW YORK | 1865 Broadway | 418 FT | 32 FLOORS

Rounded the .5 to 418. Sig figs!

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1865 Broadway will stand 32 stories in all with a parapet rising 417.5 feet above street level
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 7:39 PM
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Wow, what a snooze. But with that location, the condos will sell for crazy amounts anyways.

This is what happens when "the community" gets too involved in zoning issues (this is in the Lincoln Square special district which probably limits how bulk is distributed and means de facto height restrictions).
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 8:24 PM
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Very disappointing in the design then again this NIMBY central. I'm not sure how anyone could realistically see a 700' ft building here.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 8:50 PM
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Wow, what a snooze. But with that location, the condos will sell for crazy amounts anyways.

This is what happens when "the community" gets too involved in zoning issues (this is in the Lincoln Square special district which probably limits how bulk is distributed and means de facto height restrictions).
Here's the problem though, the community wasn't involved here. Here is a post from the first page.

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Although there is technically no “height limit” in the Lincoln Square District (of which this block is a part), there is kind of a de facto downward pressure on height due to two specific features of the district:
1) 60% of the floor area of the building must be below 150’
2) The footprint of a tower must be between 30% and 40% of the site area

Given those parameters, the building will be constrained in terms of its height. If the site can indeed support 300,000 SF of development, that means only 120,000 SF (40%) of that can be above 150’.

My guess from Google Earth is that the site is about 20,000 SF, so the minimum tower footprint would be 6,000 SF (30% of that). That means we are only looking at 20 floors at 6,000 SF each above 150’. Even if they were crazy tall (432 Park-style) 15’ FTF, that would be 300’ in the tower for a total height of 450’.

The Danny Forster renderings are interesting, but they only achieve 600-700’ by including a giant mechanical level in the tower to push the residential portion higher without consuming floor area. Plus the FTF height on the units must be insane…like 20’+.

Not to be a downer about this, but we probably won’t see something very tall here. Super high-end? Yes. But not tall.
Color me surprised, somebody that wasn't jumping on the "unlimited height!" bandwagon knew this all along.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2015, 11:15 PM
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^ yeah but that person was also sure the design wouldn't suck. Same thing for that JR Ewing clown, who said it would be a "stunning" tower. LOL.

Check out my post # 26 on the previous page. I was right (not that I'm happy about it).

Anyway, we lost a bunch of jobs to Philly for this nothing tower justs makes it even worse.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2015, 5:41 AM
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^ yeah but that person was also sure the design wouldn't suck. Same thing for that JR Ewing clown, who said it would be a "stunning" tower. LOL.

Check out my post # 26 on the previous page. I was right (not that I'm happy about it).

Anyway, we lost a bunch of jobs to Philly for this nothing tower justs makes it even worse.
Good post. This was a craptastic design all along.

I have to agree, good paying jobs were lost for mostly vacant pied a pierres building. I think the City should halt some of these buildings if it will replace numerous jobs.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2015, 12:51 AM
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You guys are crazy. I think it's great. Ok, not great, but really good. And the best thing Avalon has ever built by a factor of about 700.

I will miss that old building however, I think what was there was gorgeous. The fact that this might turn out pretty damn good definitely dulls the sting.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2015, 1:08 AM
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Very disappointing in the design then again this NIMBY central. I'm not sure how anyone could realistically see a 700' ft building here.
Building heights have zero to do with whether or not the area has NIMBYs and everything to do with zoning.

There are already buildings in the area taller than 700 ft, as well as one supertall planned, but this specific site is under a special district.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2015, 1:11 AM
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Here's the problem though, the community wasn't involved here. Here is a post from the first page.
Wrong. Read the previous posts. This is under the Lincoln Square Special District.
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Color me surprised, somebody that wasn't jumping on the "unlimited height!" bandwagon knew this all along.
You really have severe reading comprehension issues. You're now apparently arguing with yourself.
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Old Posted Nov 1, 2015, 7:45 AM
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There are already buildings in the area taller than 700 ft, as well as one supertall planned, but this specific site is under a special district.
Can you name those buildings and provide more details about said buildings. Not disagreeing with you or anything, I'm genuinely interested.

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Old Posted Nov 1, 2015, 12:04 PM
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Can you name those buildings and provide more details about said buildings. Not disagreeing with you or anything, I'm genuinely interested.
The Time Warner Center is just a block south of this site, which is 2x 750 foot towers.
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2015, 4:44 PM
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AvalonBay files plans for 33-story Lincoln Square tower
SOM-designed, 160-unit building will hold rentals, condos

November 30, 2015
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AvalonBay Communities filed plans Monday for its new 33-story, mixed-use residential tower at the site of the former American Bible Society headquarters in Lincoln Square.

The building will hold 160 apartments – both rental and condominium units – across more than 236,000 square feet. There will also be 34,000 square feet of retail space on the project’s lower levels, according to a permit application filed with the city’s Department of Buildings.

While the filing indicates a scaling down from a previously reported 70,000 square feet of retail at the development, the plans may not account for retail space planned for the building’s cellar level, which are not always accounted for in DOB filings.

The residential real estate investment trust, led by CEO Timothy Naughton, acquired the property at 1865 Broadway for $300 million earlier this year, and will demolish the existing 12-story building on the site. Skidmore Owings & Merrill is designing the project.

The filing specifies anywhere from 13 to 15 apartments on each of the tower’s third through sixth floors, with seven units on each of the eighth through 13th floors and a single duplex apartment spanning the 14th and 15th floors. In addition to another two units on each of the 14th and15th floors, the 16th through 24th floors will hold four apartments each, while the 25th through 31st floors will each have three units.

The fourth, sixth and seventh floors will be used for residential amenity space, though the filing does not note the type.

AvalonBay may look to sell a portion of the development such as the retail component, Matthew Birenbaum, the firm’s chief information officer, said on the third-quarter earnings call last month. Birenbaum lauded the site’s “very flexible” zoning and said the project would be 100 percent market-rate, with AvalonBay not pursuing a 421a tax abatement.

The Virginia-based REIT recently entered contract to sell a Kips Bay luxury rental building, at 377 East 33rd Street, to the Dermot Company for $175 million.

- See more at: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/11/....8uNDce97.dpuf
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2015, 6:27 PM
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That's a lot of money for a 33 story tower with only partial CP views.
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2015, 7:32 PM
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Demolition Underway at the Future Site of 1865 Broadway


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Currently shrouded in black, as if mourning its own impending demise, the former headquarters of the American Bible Society is set to come down in the coming months to make way for Avalonbay Communities' 1865 Broadway. The original 12-storey Brutalist tower — designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) and built in 1965 — is set to be replaced by a 32-storey tower from the same firm. Set to rise at the corner of Broadway and West 61st Street in Midtown Manhattan, the new tower is expected to be completed by 2018.
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Demo is pretty much done, one floor left.
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Demo is done, site prep well underway.

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Old Posted Jan 5, 2017, 8:49 PM
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First Official Rendering of AvalonBay's Condo-Rental High-Rise on the Upper West Side
January 5, 2017
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AvalonBay is forging ahead with their 300,000-square-foot residential tower at 1865 Broadway on the Upper West Side. Now with demolition of the pre-existing building nearly complete, the project’s first official rendering has been posted on the site's perimeter construction fence. The 33-story high-rise will ascend from a prime corner lot at Broadway and West 61st Street, between Columbus Circle and Lincoln Center. Its design penned by Skidmore Owings & Merrill (SOM) will accommodate 160 residential units and two levels of retail. Its two-tier massing provides for a 6-story podium and a setback 27-story slab rising to the height of 416 feet.




More photos and info in the post here.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2017, 9:11 PM
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Meh.
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