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Talking JERSEY CITY | 560 & 580 Marin Blvd | ??? FT | 57 + 59 FLOORS

27. Case: P17-025 Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan
Applicant: The Fourteen Florence Street Corp
Review Planner: Matt Ward
Attorney: Charles Harrington
Address: 560 & 580 Marin Blvd and 130-150 12th Street
Block: 8901 Lot: 1 and 2
Block: 7201 Lot: 1
Zone: Newport Redevelopment Plan
Description: Proposed construction of two mixed-use high-rise towers (57 and 59 stories) with a total
of 750 dwelling units, 240,000 square feet of non-residential uses, 1,098 off-street
parking spaces, road widening of Marin Boulevard and other right-of-way improvements.

This is located right next to the Home Depot, north of the Holland Tunnel Toll Plaza.



This is site number 195 on the downtown development map. http://data.jerseycitynj.gov/dataset...ments-7.6..pdf

580 Marin Blvd - 57 stories - 367 units
560 Marin Blvd - 59 stories - 383 units
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The site was just commissioned for Jersey City's largest mural to date. Oh well.

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-m...l-biggest-yet/
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The site was just commissioned for Jersey City's largest mural to date. Oh well.

https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-m...l-biggest-yet/
They created a very interesting mural in the last days of Pep Boys back of that property, so until these bad boys are ready will make for another creative fill in.

I'm so-oo-ooo--oo excited about these towers... maybe 650 and 700 ft if they really want to be daring!
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2017, 11:35 PM
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Great news. Continuing the JC trend of 2 tower developments. 2 for 1 package.
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This is located right next to the Home Depot, north of the Holland Tunnel Toll Plaza.
Was just there the other day (home depot) picking up rivets. Will aid the dramatic view heading into the Holland.

And 750 units or so... big development for any city really. People might be surprised when looking at the units coming online or in the pipeline for JC. Rivals most really big cities in the U.S..
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I always laugh at suburbanites that look at a 60 floor building and claim oversupply. Yet a new subdivision or two may occur on the fringes of a suburban town and no one things anything of it.

These structures are about 300 units each. Jersey City is easily absorbing 300+ apartment units monthly due to a rising population. This one 60 story tower represents a one month supply. An average subdivision may be a couple hundred homes. Yet no issues when those are being built. It's only an oversupply if it's contained in a tall, single building.
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LOL

Approved Tuesday night with little fanfare. I would have thought this would have been controversial.

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I wonder what the height is?

Maybe both towers will top 700 ft mark.
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Has anyone seen any renders for this? Really curious what it will look like.
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New Details, Rendering Released for Two Tower Project Near Holland Tunnel



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A rendering has been released for the now-approved, two-tower mega-project just outside the Holland Tunnel in downtown Jersey City.

The project, which will bring 750 residential units, along with ‘240,000 square feet of nonresidential uses’ and 1,098 parking spaces to the site was approved, ‘with conditions’, by Jersey City’s Planning Board during their August 15th meeting.

The rendering shows the outbound lanes of the Holland Tunnel along 12th Street, with the 57 and 59-story glass-sheathed high-rises towering overhead.

This site is directly east of Home Depot and will replace the brick industrial building which is currently used by the Mecca and Sons Trucking Company. The building’s western wall is now home to New Jersey largest mural, painted by Distort, and facilitated by Green Villain and the Jersey City Mural Arts Program.

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association raises concerns regarding the project’s lack of green space and mass transit access options. The association is requesting the Planning Board conduct a traffic study to better understand how the project will impact traffic in the area.

No variances or deviations were requested or required for approval. Nor have any abatements been decided at this stage.
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https://jerseydigs.com/jersey-city-d...ering-details/
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I always laugh at suburbanites that look at a 60 floor building and claim oversupply. Yet a new subdivision or two may occur on the fringes of a suburban town and no one things anything of it.

These structures are about 300 units each. Jersey City is easily absorbing 300+ apartment units monthly due to a rising population. This one 60 story tower represents a one month supply. An average subdivision may be a couple hundred homes. Yet no issues when those are being built. It's only an oversupply if it's contained in a tall, single building.
Jersey City will soon surpass its peak population at this rate
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That's a nice location for those towers.
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Damn those look tall. Tall one looks at least 700'.
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So this one was apparently controversial at the planning board meeting. It was a very narrow vote for approval, 5/4 or something. I wish I could have been there to hear the arguments for and against.

That area of town sucks, seen by most as nothing more than wasteland a car must traverse when entering NYC. These towers will help reclaim some of the lands as Jersey City and should help bring additional investment to the area. I don't know how a PATH connection would work, but anything north of the Holland Tunnel is going to need major pedestrian and transit improvements and these towers could be the catalyst.

Density is much more important to me than height. There is nothing wrong with tall buildings, but I would love to see more encouragement of midrise buildings to create a more urban setting. SOmething like this:


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So this one was apparently controversial at the planning board meeting. It was a very narrow vote for approval, 5/4 or something. I wish I could have been there to hear the arguments for and against.

That area of town sucks, seen by most as nothing more than wasteland a car must traverse when entering NYC. These towers will help reclaim some of the lands as Jersey City and should help bring additional investment to the area. I don't know how a PATH connection would work, but anything north of the Holland Tunnel is going to need major pedestrian and transit improvements and these towers could be the catalyst.

Density is much more important to me than height. There is nothing wrong with tall buildings, but I would love to see more encouragement of midrise buildings to create a more urban setting. SOmething like this:
I was just about to say something about this. Who would want to live at the base of the Holland tunnel like that, on the NJ side? where that immediate area around the tunnel is very unwalkable. I'm sure the building will be very nice and the views will surely be stunning though. JC has come a really long way from when I was growing up, but at the same time they still have a lot of work to do. Their skyline is looking amazing lately, but they particularly need to work on the street level density in a lot of areas. There are other walkable areas in JC, so I know they can do it.
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^^^ People whose only experience of JC is driving or taking a bus through the Holland Tunnel get the wrong idea about it. The area around the tunnel is a sad disaster caused by mid-20th-century urban renewal, but most of the city doesn't look like that or like Newport, which was built over rail yards in the 80s and not really planned so well.

I'd say JC has a lot of work to do to make the city denser and more walkable, but so does a lot of Brooklyn. You wouldn't judge Brooklyn by the area under the BQE/Hamilton Ave near the Gowanus, or Queens by the Queens-Midtown Tunnel Approach and Newtown Creek area, so JC shouldn't be judged by this area. There are many very walkable, beautiful neighborhoods in the city.

The good news is that the level of planning has gotten better in JC since Newport was built. Especially by relaxing zoning laws that basically forced builders to build sterile, unwalkable modernist developments. So with all the development these days every area of the city is getting more walkable and active and vibrant.

Anyway, I remain skeptical that this project will happen any time soon given what a wasteland this area is, so far from transit. Many areas of the city with better transit and much nicer, more walkable neighborhoods have approved towers that are better candidates for construction financing ahead of this project. Not to mention this project has a sizeable retail component, and retail is struggling to fill up these days. The 1,000-space parking garage alone would cost about $40 million to build, which means they'd have to command extremely high rents given the marginal location. It'll happen someday, but I can't see it in the next 5 years.

A PATH connection makes zero sense, and I wish them luck on getting a light rail station nearby. They've been trying to get one at 18th and Jersey Ave for almost 20 years.

I wouldn't complain if someone wants to put money in to finance this project and get it built though

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