HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForumSkyscraper Posters
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development

View Poll Results: Which transbay tower design scheme do you like best?
#1 Richard Rogers 36 7.55%
#2 Cesar Pelli 94 19.71%
#3 SOM 347 72.75%
Voters: 477. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #2921  
Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 5:22 AM
Pedestrian's Avatar
Pedestrian Pedestrian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by viewguysf View Post
Although it's not far away, it doesn't directly connect to BART either. I think they decided to go with the land they had, but I hear you.
I'm still waiting to find out if the tunnel directly from the lower level of the TransBay to a BART station (Montgomery?) that was advertised when the terminal was being conceptualized will actually be part of the reality because I am unaware of any tunneling that's been done.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2922  
Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 5:56 AM
viewguysf's Avatar
viewguysf viewguysf is offline
High on a Hill
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedestrian View Post
I'm still waiting to find out if the tunnel directly from the lower level of the TransBay to a BART station (Montgomery?) that was advertised when the terminal was being conceptualized will actually be part of the reality because I am unaware of any tunneling that's been done.
I remember that but we've heard nothing about it for a long time. It seems like that quietly died.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2923  
Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 8:00 AM
timbad timbad is offline
heavy user of walkability
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mission Bay, San Francisco
Posts: 1,645
Quote:
Originally Posted by viewguysf View Post
I remember that but we've heard nothing about it for a long time. It seems like that quietly died.
according to this fairly recent doc (see map on I think fourth page), the passageway will be part of phase 2, if it ever happens
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2924  
Old Posted Apr 24, 2017, 11:47 PM
Hockeymac18 Hockeymac18 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedestrian View Post
I'm still waiting to find out if the tunnel directly from the lower level of the TransBay to a BART station (Montgomery?) that was advertised when the terminal was being conceptualized will actually be part of the reality because I am unaware of any tunneling that's been done.
I believe it will be part of the second phase (Caltrain DTX). But yeah, I haven't heard much about it for a while.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2925  
Old Posted Apr 25, 2017, 3:59 PM
emanon emanon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockeymac18 View Post
I believe it will be part of the second phase (Caltrain DTX). But yeah, I haven't heard much about it for a while.
The current plan, as evaluated in the Supplemental EIR/EIS, would extend the train box from Beale to Main and move the planned pedestrian tunnel from Fremont to Beale. The pedestrian tunnel would be just below street level and connect to the BART Embarcadero Station at the concourse level. The DTX is projected to be completed in 2029.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2926  
Old Posted Apr 26, 2017, 6:27 AM
timbad timbad is offline
heavy user of walkability
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mission Bay, San Francisco
Posts: 1,645


Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2927  
Old Posted Apr 26, 2017, 8:16 PM
Pedestrian's Avatar
Pedestrian Pedestrian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,407
One heck of a bus station!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2928  
Old Posted Apr 27, 2017, 3:56 AM
1977's Avatar
1977 1977 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 814
Thanks for the update, timbad.

KPIX had a segment on TBT the other day as well. Nothing we didn't know, but has some views from and of the rooftop park.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...train-station/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2929  
Old Posted Apr 27, 2017, 6:33 AM
viewguysf's Avatar
viewguysf viewguysf is offline
High on a Hill
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,608
I wonder if it would be feasible and possible to convert some of the retail areas to offices if they can't make it float as intended.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2930  
Old Posted May 6, 2017, 9:18 PM
fimiak's Avatar
fimiak fimiak is offline
Build Baby Build
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 722
Night shots 5/4



Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2931  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 4:58 PM
dimondpark's Avatar
dimondpark dimondpark is offline
FiveTen Represent!?!
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Zurich, Switzerland & Piedmont, California
Posts: 6,317
Quote:
Originally Posted by viewguysf View Post
I wonder if it would be feasible and possible to convert some of the retail areas to offices if they can't make it float as intended.
This^ offices, a hotel, conference center, museum, an educational facility. hell its big enough to be a tv/film studio, etc. ijs the transit component apart from buses is uncertain but the massive building is being built so...

The thought of a mall is highly improbable imo. 6x6 has yet to land a single tenant!
__________________

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."-Robert Frost
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2932  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 5:14 PM
pseudolus pseudolus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mission Terrace, SF
Posts: 438
Quote:
Originally Posted by dimondpark View Post
The thought of a mall is highly improbable imo.
Maybe a giant Amazon Locker location for people to pick up their packages.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2933  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 7:04 PM
Pedestrian's Avatar
Pedestrian Pedestrian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by dimondpark View Post
This^ offices, a hotel, conference center, museum, an educational facility. hell its big enough to be a tv/film studio, etc. ijs the transit component apart from buses is uncertain but the massive building is being built so...

The thought of a mall is highly improbable imo. 6x6 has yet to land a single tenant!
I've never understood why it had to be so big, even if trains were to come into it from the beginning.

6x6 may have landed a tenant or 2 by now and not yet announced it but they seem to have some very specific criteria for whom they want to lease to. Maybe too specific. But it's their business--the rest of us just have to wait.

I am more concerned about this:

Quote:
Exclusive: BART's ambitious retail vision crumbles
Apr 27, 2017, 2:28pm PDT Updated Apr 27, 2017, 2:50pm PDT
Katie Burke
Food/Hospitality/Retail Reporter, San Francisco Business Times

The hype around plans to bring new retail services to 43 BART stations reached a high with pronouncements that Dunkin' Donuts, Ghirardelli Chocolates and other big-name tenants were on their way to serve riders.

But BART's plans came to a screeching halt when the transit authority decided to back out of a lease agreement after its retail partner failed to meet several deadlines.

Several years ago , TransMart and BART struck an agreement to bring in a slew of high-quality tenants to stations across the Bay Area. By late 2015, TransMart — operating under the name Blinq — had launched pop-up retail spaces in the Embarcadero and Montgomery BART stations.

However, according to a memorandum acquired by the San Francisco Business Times, the deal between the developer and BART was left to expire late last year after TransMart didn't meet several of its contractual obligations . . . .
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...-stations.html

If they can't find retail tenants for BART stations, I have to wonder how they expect to find them for a fancy bus station even if it is in the densest part of downtown (see Embaracdero Center where there has been a rotation of tenants for the 3 decades I've been watching).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2934  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 7:38 PM
ardecila's Avatar
ardecila ardecila is offline
atomic
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: the city o'wind
Posts: 12,571
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedestrian View Post
I've never understood why it had to be so big, even if trains were to come into it from the beginning.

6x6 may have landed a tenant or 2 by now and not yet announced it but they seem to have some very specific criteria for whom they want to lease to. Maybe too specific. But it's their business--the rest of us just have to wait.

I am more concerned about this:


http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...-stations.html

If they can't find retail tenants for BART stations, I have to wonder how they expect to find them for a fancy bus station even if it is in the densest part of downtown (see Embaracdero Center where there has been a rotation of tenants for the 3 decades I've been watching).
Sounds more like BART tried to offload all the risk onto a master lessee and the deal fell apart. This type of deal is common for airports or train terminals, where it's easier to achieve economies of scale, but may not work so well for a sprawling rail system.

Without a doubt, though, there is a market for retailers in BART stations, even if it's just for coffee shops and newsstands. TransMart sounds either incompetent, greedy or both... or maybe BART itself is to blame for imposing unrealistic requirements. Either way, this shouldn't be seen as a cautionary tale for Transbay.
__________________
la forme d'une ville change plus vite, hélas! que le coeur d'un mortel...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2935  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 8:31 PM
Pedestrian's Avatar
Pedestrian Pedestrian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,407
^^Reportedly BART/Transmart failed to sign a single retail lease. And I've always wondered why there were not loads of retail establishments in BART stations like in New York's subway. Given the shrinking footprint of bricks/mortar retail generally, I don't think the level of demand in the TransBay is at all a given.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2936  
Old Posted May 9, 2017, 8:37 PM
viewguysf's Avatar
viewguysf viewguysf is offline
High on a Hill
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedestrian View Post
^^Reportedly BART/Transmart failed to sign a single retail lease. And I've always wondered why there were not loads of retail establishments in BART stations like in New York's subway. Given the shrinking footprint of bricks/mortar retail generally, I don't think the level of demand in the TransBay is at all a given.
I don't either, which is why they need to start planning for practical alternatives now.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2937  
Old Posted May 21, 2017, 10:51 AM
timbad timbad is offline
heavy user of walkability
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mission Bay, San Francisco
Posts: 1,645




Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2938  
Old Posted May 21, 2017, 6:00 PM
TowerDude TowerDude is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 40
The world needs fewer offices and more places for education and learning ... if they can't turn it into retail turn it into a science museum.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2939  
Old Posted May 21, 2017, 6:10 PM
Pedestrian's Avatar
Pedestrian Pedestrian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by TowerDude View Post
The world needs fewer offices and more places for education and learning ... if they can't turn it into retail turn it into a science museum.
How many of those do we need besides the Academy of Sciences and the Exploratorium? Besides, they've been trying to fund a city museum (in the Old Mint) for 20 years and can't come up with the money. This thing will sit there awaiting a Democratic administration that is California/San Francisco-friendly (so will help fund Phase 2). I just hope it can be kept clean, properly maintained and safe in the meantime.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2940  
Old Posted May 21, 2017, 6:29 PM
tech12's Avatar
tech12 tech12 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Oakland
Posts: 3,104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedestrian View Post
How many of those do we need besides the Academy of Sciences and the Exploratorium? Besides, they've been trying to fund a city museum (in the Old Mint) for 20 years and can't come up with the money. This thing will sit there awaiting a Democratic administration that is California/San Francisco-friendly (so will help fund Phase 2). I just hope it can be kept clean, properly maintained and safe in the meantime.
ain't nothing wrong with more science museums. But yeah i think most of us would prefer trains, as planned, at that specific location, rather than a museum.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > General Development
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 6:02 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.