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Old Posted May 12, 2017, 7:56 PM
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It's a shame, the area needs a grocery store badly (and it's unclear if Plaza Saltillo will end up getting one). I live a couple neighborhoods down the street.

Between this development, the redevelopment around 11th the other side of 35, and these:
http://austin.towers.net/development...reet-landrush/ I'm sure there will be added density that would make a grocery in upper east central austin attractive.
I've heard a pretty strong but as of yet unconfirmed rumor that there will be a Sprouts in Plaza Saltillo.
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I've heard a pretty strong but as of yet unconfirmed rumor that there will be a Sprouts in Plaza Saltillo.
As we found out today, a supermarket (27K sq. ft.) is planned for Block 87 as well.
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As we found out today, a supermarket (27K sq. ft.) is planned for Block 87 as well.
Great news for the area. To me the lack of a (larger) grocery store has been the single biggest drawback to living in Rainey/Eastern side of Downtown. Royal Blue is nice and all but it's just not quite as practical.
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As we found out today, a supermarket (27K sq. ft.) is planned for Block 87 as well.
That sounds like it could be a Sprouts. I looked on Barshop & Oles' website at info for Brodie Oaks Shopping Center and they show the Sprouts there is 20,300 sf. That's the one I shop at.
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When this project first went before the Design Commission a couple years ago as Huston Heights, the developers showed a rendering of what could be be built (top) vs. their original proposal (bottom). So this could still be a decent mid-rise.


http://austin.towers.net/one-two-eas...ce-opposition/
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Oh what I can tell.... I like the top one much better!
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The neighborhood could still get something that pretty much blocks their view of downtown, but without a grocery store and the ~300 affordable units. Who wins in this scenario? Congrats on your victory NIMBYs.
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Oh what I can tell.... I like the top one much better!
The facade may be more interesting, though, honestly, I did like the facade design of the twin tower plan quite a bit. I will say, however, that wider is not better. Worrying over height isn't everything, and this project is a good example why. The shorter (wider) design will likely create more of a visible barrier than the twin tower design did. And unfortunately, this project will offer less to the neighborhood since it likely won't have any retail. That's a major loss for the neighborhood. A lot of the concern and resentment over the development moving into East Austin has been a sense that it's come with a concealed and shut-off-to-its-surroundings feel, a sort of middle finger or back turned to the neighborhood by not being exactly affordable or fitting in. Coming into a neighborhood with a new development and not offering retail is sort of like taking something away from the neighborhood and benefiting from it but also not contributing to it. I-35 may be buried or replaced someday so that that visible and cultural barrier between East Austin and the rest of the city is gone, but I'm thinking a new one will be created in the type of development that East Austin might see if developments don't commit to contributing retail to the area. I would even rather see bland designs there that actually contribute to the neighborhood than ritzy buildings that tell their surroundings that they don't want to interact with it.
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When I look around my own neighborhood, I consider the places that are contributing to my neighborhood, and the number one thing I consider is retail. Living in your neighborhood and seeing things isn't enough. I don't even concern myself with things that might be considered an eyesore or something that I personally consider to be unsightly. I think more about is it the best use of that location? How many hours of the day does that business or shopping center (we have a few) operate? Is the land being used in the most practical and honest way? Does it close up at 5 pm or does it stay open a little later with businesses that I might need at the end of the day? Things like groceries and food and the services that I use most often are what I think of the most. And I think if those places weren't there, then how far would I have to go to acquire those goods and services? How much time would it take out of my day for me to get there? I also think about is something too redundant of a service or product because maybe we already have a few of those in the area? Do we really need another auto-parts store or another pharmacy so close to the other one that's only half a mile away?
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I think they shot themselves in the foot by not allowing a grocery store there.

I agree that wider isn't better for a couple of reasons. One is views - you can typically see more of the city, sky, etc., with more buildings that are skinnier as the views between the buildings are available. What's interesting with that is that as you walk/drive/bike, you get different views from different angles. This makes cities a bit more interesting in some ways, I think. The other point against really wide buildings it that they're more than physical barriers to ones view, but also to one's ability to get somewhere. Smaller buildings often have, if anything else, sidewalks that allows the general public to pass through their property (especially if there is any sort of retail component). This helps with their business but also creates and more thorough and natural urban grid benefiting pedestrians. A wide building is an impenetrable wall...and we all know how popular those are.
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The update to the site plan made a couple weeks ago did describe Version 2.0 as "High-Rise M.F.". So I suspect they are going with a 10 to 12-story building allowed in current zoning instead of a Texas doughnut design.
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