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Excuse my ignorance, but what makes Kushner so confident in securing financing when Extell is having trouble getting it for CPT which is already under construction and has at least one guaranteed tenant (Nordstrom)?
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If only this was the design for CPT.
If this had been an option then, I wonder if Nordstrom would have chosen this prime location. We're talking a half million sq ft of retail at the base.






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Excuse my ignorance, but what makes Kushner so confident in securing financing when Extell is having trouble getting it for CPT which is already under construction and has at least one guaranteed tenant (Nordstrom)?
Most likely the type of talks they are having, which is different from what Extell is seeking. Kushner is seeking a partner in the building and development (they will eventually only have about a 20% stake in the project) while Extell is seeking a construction loan. The buyers are out there for Manhattan buildings.



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China's HNA to buy New York office tower for $2.2 billion: source

Mar 22, 2017

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China's HNA Group has agreed to purchase a marquee Manhattan office building for $2.21 billion in a deal that showcases the role of Chinese capital in New York's heady commercial real estate market.



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Chinese institutional investors are still betting big on NYC real estate -- but they’re setting their own rules

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...Faced with a fraught economic environment back home, the Chinese just want to rest easy, it’s said, and their pillows of choice are trophy buildings.

While that’s still true when it comes to their investments in many parts of the U.S., the situation in Manhattan is now quite different: The Chinese are increasingly taking on luxury ground-up development projects, some of the most complex and risky bets in this town. And they’re doing it on their own terms.

Just look at SMI USA. The U.S. arm of Shanghai Municipal Investment, which is Shanghai’s largest state-owned enterprise, has made three massive bets in the city over the past year: It partnered with Ceruzzi Properties to buy a development site at 520 Fifth Avenue for $325 million, and then teamed up again with them to buy the land under the Lipstick Building for $453 million. It also bought a $300 million equity stake in Gary Barnett’s Central Park Tower development. The Lipstick deal is a somewhat traditional long-term, cash-flow deal. The other two are anything but.

At 520 Fifth, SMI plans to develop a $1 billion luxury condo project, likely with retail and a hotel component.

....Kuafu Properties, which is backed by Chinese money, has spent over $750 million on a handful of properties, many of them development sites. At Hudson Rise, its mixed-use development on the Far West Side, Kuafu’s battles with its co-developers have delayed the project repeatedly. And though it paid a whopping $300 million for an East 60th Street assemblage with plans for a large condo tower
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Excuse my ignorance, but what makes Kushner so confident in securing financing when Extell is having trouble getting it for CPT which is already under construction and has at least one guaranteed tenant (Nordstrom)?
IMO your assumption is wrong. What makes you think Extell is having issues?

Excluding office towers with presigned tenants, giant supertalls almost always take many years to assemble financing packages. And Extell has like a dozen megaprojects underway simultaneously, from 560 Fifth to City Point to One Manhattan Square.

This isn't like financing a Dunkin Donuts franchise. 660 Fifth, like CPT, won't be financed overnight.
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^ Right. The first order of business is to bring in a partner or partners to invest in the site. If we don't get that, we won't even get to the financing part. My bets are they will get someone to invest in this trophy tower. A chance for a massive development like this (no site assembly needed) on a prime Fifth Avenue site no less, doesn't come often.
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Cuozzo wants to know about the pricetag...


http://nypost.com/2017/04/03/what-ex...e-reinvention/

What exactly is going on with Kushner Companies’ 5th Ave. ‘reinvention’?

By Steve Cuozzo
April 3, 2017


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We have no idea whether Kushner Companies’ plan to “reinvent” 666 Fifth Ave. as a 1,400-foot-tall tower of luxury condos, a hotel and top-end retail will ever get built. My colleague Lois Weiss first reported last week that Kushner’s prospective partner, China’s Anbang, had declined to go ahead with a deal. A Kushner rep told the New York Times Monday that the company still expected to line up $2.5 billion in equity from other sources.

One reported number is especially baffling: a $4.1 billion construction loan supposedly needed to realize late architect Zaha Hadid’s design. For a very tall but skinny tower that will have floor plates of just 10,000 square feet for most of its height?

SL Green needed only a $1.5 billion construction loan for One Vanderbilt, the highly sophisticated office tower it’s building next to Grand Central Terminal that’s 100 feet taller than a new 666 Fifth would be.

None of the World Trade Center office towers required a construction loan of more than $3 billion on sites much more complex than 666 Fifth.
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I gotta be honest, I do not feel confident about this development under Kushner management. I just get this feeling it will be a Shvo moment like the disgrace that happened with 125 Greenwich.

Hopefully a key investor takes a majority of the stake and gets it done right.

And I'm usually very optimistic, almost bordering manic, but this project doesn't sit right with me. Just get the feeling that there will be setbacks.
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Hopefully a key investor takes a majority of the stake and gets it done right.

And I'm usually very optimistic, almost bordering manic, but this project doesn't sit right with me. Just get the feeling that there will be setbacks.
I do believe that is the plan,


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The demolition and construction is projected to cost $7.5 billion. The Kushners are looking for a partner or partners to invest $3.3 billion, including $500 million from the Kushner family and others, who would own a 20 percent stake, according to Mr. Yolles, the company spokesman.

Keep your eye out for that. Even some of the developments in the city that are already under construction have brought in or are looking for investors to take majority stakes, leaving the developer as primarily the builder. The wave of transactions in Manhattan by investors in skyscrapers, and the super prime location of this property leads me to believe that there will be major interests in this development.
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The Devil's in the Details for Kushner Companies' 666 Fifth Avenue
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Originally purchased by Kushner Companies in 2007, the 60-year-old office tower located at 666 Fifth Avenue in Midtown Manhattan has long been the dream project of convicted felon and current real estate magnate Charles Kushner. As father to Jared Kushner, the spouse to 'First Daughter' Ivanka Trump, the elder Kushner's landmark redevelopment project has been caught in limbo as investors await a final decision on any potential conflicts of interest that could arise now that the Kushner name has become directly linked to the Presidency.
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http://nypost.com/2017/04/07/steve-r...666-fifth-ave/

Steve Roth wants to sell share of Kushner family’s 666 Fifth Ave.

By Lois Weiss
April 7, 2017

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Vornado Realty Trust Chairman Steve Roth has for the first time publicly admitted his company may be selling its holding in the Kushner family’s 666 Fifth Ave.

The Kushners are looking to redevelop the office building into a 1,400-foot tall retail, hotel and residential tower while Roth prefers it to remain as is.

“This is an ongoing, complex, dynamic, and unpredictable situation . . . and it is the rare case when we may be sellers,” Roth said in his annual letter to shareholders.
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Hadid’s tower of hubris isn’t half bad: The late architect’s skyscraper would be an improvement for Midtown — if it were ever built

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To say that Zaha Hadid’s TRData LogoTINY recently revealed designs for 666 Fifth Avenue may never be built is, of course, an understatement, lending an air of reality to a project that has essentially no grounding in it.

The late architect’s drawings, commissioned by the Kushner Companies shortly before her death, show a high-concept monument that would replace the site’s 41-story tower with an 80-story superluxe skyscraper — securing, in the process, the Kushners’ increasingly tenuous hold on the shining trophy that announced their ascendance from New Jersey developers to Manhattan big shots. (The overleveraged deal also happens to be presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner’s main claim to real estate prowess.)

The obstacles, of course, are many. The most substantive being the dearth of investors willing to pay for a trophy tower at a time when half a dozen such projects have been abandoned as unviable. And time, in this case, is very much of the essence. As was recently noted in the New York Times, Kushner needs to “bring in a fresh infusion of cash or a well-heeled partner willing to foot the bill, if it wants to hold on to the building.”

In recent years, the building has failed to produce enough income to pay its debts, according to the Times, with the owners filling the ever-widening shortfall from their own pockets. More ominously, the interest-only $1.2 billion mortgage is scheduled to come due in less than two years. Earlier this year, it looked like Anbang Insurance Group, the Chinese company that bought the Waldorf Astoria, might come to the Kushners’ rescue, but Anbang ultimately walked away. Another investor has yet to emerge.

In the event that one does, the plan is to raze the existing structure and, following the model of other recent supertall buildings, rebuild it as a mixed-use space with most of the upper floors given over to residential condos and, on the lower levels, a hotel, office space and retail.


The Kushners also intend to change the name and address of the building to 660 Fifth Avenue. Allegedly, this new structure would be worth an unheard-of $12 billion, including the residential condos.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/r-kus...ar-deal-2017-7

Kushner family seeks new plan for flagship New York office after failed Qatar deal




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Kushner Cos, the realty company once headed by President Donald Trump's son-in-law, said on Tuesday it is reassessing how to finance the redevelopment of its flagship New York City property after failed talks with a former Qatari prime minister.

Talks that began more than two years ago to invest in 666 Fifth Avenue, located in the heart of Manhattan, with Qatar's Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani were "recently terminated," a Kushner spokesman, James Yolles, said in a statement to Reuters.

Kushner Cos "is currently reassessing the financing structure of the overall project. The company remains in active discussions with a number of potential investors around the property's redevelopment," Yolles said.

Sheikh Hamad agreed to invest $500 million on condition that the company, recently headed by Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and now one of his senior advisers, obtain the rest of a multi-billion-dollar refinancing elsewhere, The Intercept publication reported on Monday.
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Can anyone spare a billion? Here are five trophy buildings that could have sold in early 2017 — but didn’t

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For a few glorious weeks, it looked like one of the most ambitious real estate projects in years was really going to happen. On March 13, Bloomberg reported that Anbang Insurance Group had agreed to pay $400 million for a stake in Kushner Companies’ office building 666 Fifth Avenue. The partners would borrow $4 billion and build a 1,400-foot-tall condo tower with a vertical mall. But barely two weeks later, Anbang had backed out. According to a recent report, Anbang’s departure also killed a $500 million investment from Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund, which had been contingent on Kushner finding other investors.

According to sources, Kushner Companies is still trying to raise money and is confident that a deal will get done. Tenants whose leases are up are offered short-term renewal deals, according to a source, with an eye on emptying out the tower for development. But brokers and investors, including those who were pitched on the project, are skeptical. They question whether now is a good time to bet on luxury condos and high-street retail, with both markets struggling.

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So I'm not sure if this is new news but per a RE investment firm, there is a balloon debt due in 2019. The Chinese firm from earlier this year would have invested enough money to easily cover the debt payment. However, since they've backed out, K. Companies have been frantically looking at other options.
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While I would love to see the Hadid design built, I don't hate what's already there. It's a reasonably decent example of 50's mid-century modernism, and those metal panels are something that a fair amount of contemporary modern designs are emulating.
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Laurent Morali, who became president of Kushner Cos. last year, said in an interview he is marketing a 60-year-old aluminum-clad building "that is not competitive" with more-modern properties. He said the company will decide soon whether to proceed with its ambitious redevelopment plan or scale back.
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Surprised this hasn't appeared here. This article is a deep dive into this project, w/ lots of infographics. Doesn't paint a good look for Kushner.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...hunt-for-cash/
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Kushner Plan for Fifth Avenue Tower Is Being Blocked by Partner

By David Kocieniewski and Caleb Melby
October 16, 2017


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An ambitious plan by Jared Kushner’s family to recast its indebted Fifth Avenue office building as a luxury architectural trophy is collapsing, setting off a chain of events that may imperil the Kushners’ ownership of a property central to their real estate empire.

Their partner, Vornado Realty Trust, is telling brokers to plan for a much more mundane renovation that would leave the property as an office building, according to three people familiar with the matter. Vornado Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Steve Roth was never enthusiastic about the Kushner plan although until now he hadn’t stood in its way.

Putting an end to the Kushner effort -- to salvage their overpriced investment by turning it into a Midtown jewel with expensive condos, a hotel and five-floor mall -- could have profound ramifications for the family. Vornado, which owns 49.5 percent of 666 Fifth Ave., is unlikely to invest further in the property without first being reassured of its future, said three people familiar with Roth’s thinking. That means returning to the negotiating table with lenders -- a battle that could result in Kushner Cos.’ losing control of the building, said the people, who asked not to be named discussing private deals.

A Kushner Cos. spokesman said nothing has been decided.

“As equal partners, Vornado and Kushner have been exploring a range of options for the future of 666 Fifth Avenue,” he said in an email. “All options are still being assessed, and no decision has been made about which option to pursue. Any implication that an agreed upon path has been reached or that there is contemplation of an outcome that would be to the sole benefit of one party over the other would simply be wrong.”


A spokeswoman for Vornado didn’t return several requests for comment outside of normal business hours Sunday.

It’s a sharp reversal. As recently as March, both Vornado and Kushner were looking at a massive windfall from Anbang Insurance Group. The Kushner family stood to gain a $400 million cash payout from a deal being discussed with the Chinese insurer, while realizing their dreams of building a glamorous skyscraper. But Anbang, which had previously bought up several major U.S. properties, including the Waldorf Astoria hotel, pulled out of the negotiations amid a public outcry in the U.S. over conflict-of-interest concerns and a crackdown by the Chinese government on overseas investments.

.....Pressure is mounting because a $1.2 billion mortgage is due in February 2019, while losses make it unattractive to lenders who might refinance the debt. The building lost $14.5 million in 2016 and is on track to lose $24 million this year after a boost in the loan’s interest rate, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. A 30 percent vacancy rate, as of June, has deepened the losses as Kushner Cos. prepared to demolish the property and replace it -- a process that would have required buying out existing leases. Vornado’s plans are designed to fill the building at market-rate rents and stanch the bleeding, three people said.

.....While Kushner and Vornado have shared interest in the building’s success, that means different things to each firm. Roth has recently renewed his focus on operating Manhattan office properties, after spinning off Vornado’s Washington properties and retail malls. Vornado’s stable of large, profitable office buildings produces plenty of cash to purchase under-performing ones to modernize and fill with new tenants.

Kushner Cos.’ portfolio is less valuable and it has many expensive redevelopment projects ahead. Company president Laurent Morali told Bloomberg only six weeks ago that there were a number of potential investors in the grand redevelopment plan. He said he didn’t consider it prohibitively expensive, as many have, but rather “ambitious and creative.” Modernizing and re-leasing the building, as now seems the more likely path, was only a contingency plan.
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https://therealdeal.com/2017/10/16/r...66-fifth-plan/

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