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Old Posted May 19, 2017, 12:27 PM
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Smile Freki presents Dubai

Dubai... is a mess..

Everything has a halfarsed feel to it and it seems nothing is ever really completed - it's directly hostile to pedestrians and decentralized to an absurd level.
And don't get me started on the insane sharia laws ( that they luckily chose not to enforce in their desperation of acquiring foreign cash ).

But it is also a very interesting place and it has a lot of scraper fan eye-candy to see - and chances are that is what you are here to see

We did have a nice vacation there and I'm not going to say people shouldn't visit - just be aware that it's basically like the old western movie sets where it's all empty and hollow when you look past the facades.





































































































































































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Did you visit the old city part of Dubai, I understand it's fairly well preserved.
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Thanks for the great photos. Still not a place that I have any interest in visiting, ever.
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Old Dubai looks interesting, other than that it all looks so tacky. Like Las Vegas except lacking any of the self-awareness or playfulness.

I remember when the hype train for Dubai back in 2005-2008 was insane, now it seems like the hype has died out and the rose colored glasses have been taken off.

Great photos regardless.
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^yeah - I'm certainly not going to say people shouldn't visit - but people should know what to expect when they do.

What really surprised me was how halfarsed most things are - nothing seems finished, even in the most urban decade old areas it has a feel of still being under construction - and entire finished districts seems empty and devoid of life - like they just build and build without thinking about being able to fill the towers..

It's still great to see these things in real life and we had a good vacation there, but Dubai is certainly more Basra than it is Kuwait City

Make no mistake, even with all the expats and Asian slave labour and foreign investment and oil it is still very much the Middle East

The comparison to Vegas is not much off, but Vegas offers much much more than Dubai for tourists and normal citizens alike
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Did you visit the old city part of Dubai, I understand it's fairly well preserved.
There is no old part - the Diera parts you see here is it..

There is a "fort" on the other side of the river turned museum, we also visited that, it looks the same. ( I can post some pcsof that later )

Dubai virtually didn't exist 60 years ago, so it's certainly not for the history or culture people should visit
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While I'd like to see the Burj Kalifa in person, and the old city looks nice, you'd have to pay me (basically, go there for work) to go to the UAE. The whole region is "anti-me".

Thanks for the pics.
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Dubai is for sure no place Id ever want to visit, I mean if I had the chance and it was free and or fairly cheap than hell yeah, Id go. But Dubai to me seems like a dead soulless fascist place with no character. Its basically soulless suburbia with supertall skyscrapers. NYC minus the city.

Also, after further research, it seems the fort is the oldest building Dubai and was built in 1787 and other than a fort there wasn't much in the city until the early 1900's, which is surprising, considering the region is one of the oldest inhabited places by humanity, being close to Iraq, Iran etc which was home to nearly the oldest human civilizations on the planet. I would have figured Dubai had been home to some sort of port for thousands of years but this doesn't seem to be the case.
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It looks weird but partly sort of interesting in pictures, somehow.
There's even a couple of good looking towers, like this sleek glass on the left.



They used to do a bit of the same plain sleek glass here in the 90s, before strict environmental regulations severely hit the local construction sector and building design as a whole.
Hopefully, our big effort in that respect ends up paying off by some cool eco-friendly engineering and development.

Now back to pictures, even they ooze messy planning meant for cars exclusively. This looks like a place a SimCity newbie from a rural region of NA would design.
And if most of this is still empty, then it's really super weird.

Let us say that overall, it seems pretty awkward, quite obviously.
Anyway, I would go if they paid the trip for me.
I guess.

Thanks for the pictures, Freki.
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I can't believe the way Western women dress. It's not even Lebanon - it's the Arabian peninsula.
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While I'd like to see the Burj Kalifa in person, and the old city looks nice, you'd have to pay me (basically, go there for work) to go to the UAE. The whole region is "anti-me".

Thanks for the pics.
If you have American citizenship, there is no point in going there for work. You don't get to take advantage of the tax rate. For the Brits it's about putting up with it for a couple of years in order to earn over the odds and pay very little tax.
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If you have American citizenship, there is no point in going there for work. You don't get to take advantage of the tax rate. For the Brits it's about putting up with it for a couple of years in order to earn over the odds and pay very little tax.
Oh, I wouldn't take a permanent job out there. If I was contracted for a few weeks or months, sure.
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after further research, it seems the fort is the oldest building Dubai and was built in 1787 and other than a fort there wasn't much in the city until the early 1900's, which is surprising, considering the region is one of the oldest inhabited places by humanity, being close to Iraq, Iran etc which was home to nearly the oldest human civilizations on the planet. I would have figured Dubai had been home to some sort of port for thousands of years but this doesn't seem to be the case.
Here's the fort:



The difference between Iraq and the Arabian peninsular is that Iraq had the freshwater rivers ( Tigris and Euphrates ) coming down from the mountains of Kurdistan - plus back then doing the end of the ice age Northern Africa ( Sahara ) was very lush bringing a lot of moisture in over Iraq making it a literal garden of Eden

The UAE on the eastern side of the Arabian peninsula was even back then in a rain-shadow and had virtually no freshwater - certainly no powerful rivers like Iraq had - and when ocean currents changes and Shara became a desert living conditions got even more impossible - so until recently only normadic tribes ( beduins ) would enter the area freighting goods back and forth..

Dubai itself is basically founded on pearl diving - being an easy stop on the way for ships sailing up and down the gulf it eventually became a trading port and when it invested in an airport and habour facilities it's central location made it a local success story
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Nice pics. I can't believe they are still building lots of highrises. I thought they would slow down a bit by now. Maybe they have?


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These pictures are really wow, mate! Brings back memories from my visit some years ago. Was there wintertime, so about 25 degrees then, but isn't it too hot now? How warm was it during your visit? Did you go to Abu Dhabi as well (made a daytrip when I was in Dubai).
I really hate the sharia law, and yes its stiff but its desert after all and it was really really exciting to visit Dubai. It's a very safe city (as long as you follow the law) with low crime rate, most people are friendly, architecture is stunning (not beautiful but like a sci fi movie) and I think it is the only Middle Eastern place I will ever visit. I'm also glad you showed the old parts, it's really different since it looks way more genuine.
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About old parts: Deira on the opposite side of Dubai Creek is fairly old compared to the new downtown and the marina but there are two older looking parts, did you visit them?

Bur Dubai (where the museum is):

http://www.worldtravelimages.net/Dubai_Burdubai.html

Al Shindagha (the oldest and most genuine part of Dubai):

http://www.worldtravelimages.net/Dubai_Shindagha.html

And when we have Madinat Jumeirah, that you showed, that is designed to look old but is almost brand new!
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The things I loath in this world are manifested by Dubai.
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A attempt at Coruscant ? Nice pics of the skyscrapers !
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