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Old Posted May 18, 2017, 11:20 PM
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Think of how bad it would have been without the new pedestrian safety features.
I posted the above article because San Francisco, where I live, has the same issues caused by the same factors. There has been an increase in population of the city over the last couple of decades of maybe 15% but the traffic is many times more than 15% more horrible. I firmly believe it is due to the factors cited by a reponse to this article:

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More than 10 years of experience has proved that bike lanes, pedestrian malls and unrealistic speed limits worsen rather than improve our quality of life. The increase in air pollution caused by stopped and slowed vehicles only adds to the problem. Likewise, the undue tolerance of double and triple parking by trucks, notably on one-way avenues, makes matters worse.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bikes-p...ple-1495033701

These so-called "improvements" also severely frustrate drivers, many of whom are, I will point out, needed to get the aged and disabled and other categories of people who can't manage the disabled-unfriendly NY subway entrances and can't ride bikes as a primary mode of transportation around the city. At 72, I am not going to be riding a bike and my ability to climb on and off transit with packages and bags of groceries (or into and out of subway station where the escalators--most SF stations at least have those which isn't true in NY--are broken) is diminishing.

Frustrated drivers break more laws more frequently. I've watched it happen and felt it myself. The street I live on, which has what was designed as 3 lanes of one-way traffic, is commonly an obstacle course of double parked delivery trucks, cyclists (sometimes going the wrong way or crossing on cross streets against a red light) and befuddled tourists or not-very-English-speaking immigrant drivers trying to figure out where they are. Anyone driving a motorized vehicle--me, Uber, transit bus drivers--has to dodge them all and sometimes literally "cuts corners".

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Old Posted May 19, 2017, 1:26 AM
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^^^^^

Sometimes your kinda forced to break the traffic laws. Gridlock, trucks that park and obstruct whole lanes (one of the most annoying things about NYC driving), and lights that turn from green to red in 5 seconds.

Blocking the box happens a lot. I blame the lights though. Brooklyn has asinine light timings on the red lights. One thing I gotta say is that the lights in Manhattan are pretty good but Brooklyn is atrocious.

Plus the stupid speed cameras that get you the minute you hit 36 in a 25. Speed cameras I feel cause more traffic. The constant road construction during the day doesn't help either. It wipes out whole lanes, and it's always before a major expressway or parkway on ramp.
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Old Posted May 19, 2017, 2:18 AM
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stupid speed cameras that get you the minute you hit 36 in a 25. Speed cameras I feel cause more traffic.
We're getting those too. Currently cameras are only allowed to nail you for going through red lights but we are getting ones that an also get you for speeding (I honestly don't know the speed limit in the city and, in 35 years, have never seen a speed limit sign).
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Apparently the NYC speed limit in all the boroughs is 25 (not sure how it works on Staten Island) since 2014, other than the highways of course.
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Apparently the NYC speed limit in all the boroughs is 25 (not sure how it works on Staten Island) since 2014, other than the highways of course.
Yeah its true, exception of the highways. And those cameras will give you a grace period of up to 35 mph on the 25mph streets. But the minute you hit 36, if your in an area where there's a camera, it's a $50 ticket.

Its a money machine for the city. Thats why its good to have a gps that can alert you when one's coming up.

The red light cameras take two snap shots. One before the line where your suppose to stop and another after you pass it, and it will list the time in seconds that its been red. Example 0.11 seconds or 5.0 seconds. But they are precise to the millisecond. $50 ticket as well. And I've seen it (company I'm with does a lot of work in the city). They will give you a ticket for 1/10 of a second if the light has been red.
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I don't he was drunk. This looked intentional.

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I posted the above article because San Francisco, where I live, has the same issues caused by the same factors. There has been an increase in population of the city over the last couple of decades of maybe 15% but the traffic is many times more than 15% more horrible. I firmly believe it is due to the factors cited by a reponse to this article:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/bikes-p...ple-1495033701

These so-called "improvements" also severely frustrate drivers, many of whom are, I will point out, needed to get the aged and disabled and other categories of people who can't manage the disabled-unfriendly NY subway entrances and can't ride bikes as a primary mode of transportation around the city. At 72, I am not going to be riding a bike and my ability to climb on and off transit with packages and bags of groceries (or into and out of subway station where the escalators--most SF stations at least have those which isn't true in NY--are broken) is diminishing.

Frustrated drivers break more laws more frequently. I've watched it happen and felt it myself. The street I live on, which has what was designed as 3 lanes of one-way traffic, is commonly an obstacle course of double parked delivery trucks, cyclists (sometimes going the wrong way or crossing on cross streets against a red light) and befuddled tourists or not-very-English-speaking immigrant drivers trying to figure out where they are. Anyone driving a motorized vehicle--me, Uber, transit bus drivers--has to dodge them all and sometimes literally "cuts corners".
Congestion pricing.
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That would hurt business. Definitely no for congestion pricing. Even with the reduced time from trip A to B, its still a loss for companies or businesses that depend on transporting goods. The extra charge will also be pushed onto the customer. Enough expenses as it is in the city already. Congestion pricing is a no-no.
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Well then you just have to live with the inconvenience to drivers, so either they pay with their wallets or they pay with their time/frustration.
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The idea of congestion pricing would be below 59th Street. Most people who go to work take the train or walk with regards to Midtown/Lower Manhattan; with a percentage taking buses. Buses too, although I do wonder if they would be immune from a city wide congestion charge. MTA buses' that is or NJ Transit...etc..

Arguably buses and trucks are the biggest source of delays. If anything, fines on illegally parked cars/trucks (double parked) would be ideal. All it takes is one. Not even a UPS or FedEX truck, but a simple two door sedan, to cripple a crosstown street (1 way) in Manhattan.

With the outer boroughs, its road construction during the early morning and mid afternoon. They really should do it at night.

But I think most people would take 30 minutes out of their life versus paying 15 or 30 dollars entering the zone; especially after ez-pass on the tunnels.
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 12:09 AM
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Well then you just have to live with the inconvenience to drivers, so either they pay with their wallets or they pay with their time/frustration.
I happen to live in the zone that has been proposed to have to pay to enter. Why should I have to pay to go home after patronizing a restaurant or business outside "the zone" when people who live in other parts of the city don't? Maybe if they charge to enter the entire city (which they effectively do if you enter via the Bay or Golden Gate Bridges) . . . . But no single section of town should have this imposed on them.
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 12:13 AM
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The idea of congestion pricing would be below 59th Street. Most people who go to work take the train or walk with regards to Midtown/Lower Manhattan; with a percentage taking buses. Buses too, although I do wonder if they would be immune from a city wide congestion charge. MTA buses' that is or NJ Transit...etc..
What have they proposed for people who live below 59th street but want to go somewhere above it (movie?, dinner?, visit a friend who lives above 59th?) and then go home? That's my situation in SF.

I agree they need to enforce double parking laws and other laws against things that impede traffic but even that may not help much because delivery trucks may consider such fines a cost of business--it might even be tax deductible for them or they will up the cost of goods delivered and consumers will end up paying for it.
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What have they proposed for people who live below 59th street but want to go somewhere above it (movie?, dinner?, visit a friend who lives above 59th?) and then go home? That's my situation in SF.
Within Manhattan, no one drives like that.

Midtown residents aren't driving to the UES for a movie or dinner, ever. They would walk/train/bus/Uber/car service/cab. There's no parking or valet service, so it would be pointless. Other cities have parking or valet at multiplexes and restaurants.
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Old Posted May 20, 2017, 2:41 AM
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Within Manhattan, no one drives like that.

Midtown residents aren't driving to the UES for a movie or dinner, ever. They would walk/train/bus/Uber/car service/cab. There's no parking or valet service, so it would be pointless. Other cities have parking or valet at multiplexes and restaurants.
So you are saying that Ubers, cabs, car services and any vehicles other than private autos would be exempt from any charge for crossing the "congestion" limit?

I had an Uber driver the other day who said she only picked up people on the way to work and home at night. She had the Uber logo sticker on her car, of course. So how is the city going to know a rare-but-sometime Uber driver is "working" on a particular occasion when they cross into the "congestion" zone? What's to stop me (if I had a car which I don't--I have a scooter which is parkable in all sorts of places a car is not) from becoming an Uber driver and picking up passengers once a month?

FYI, parking is an issue in SF to, perhaps, only a slightly lesser degree. We are the home of Uber, after all, and for good reason. While my building has underground parking, I frequently drive out of the "congestion zone" to places where I can park--let's call it "Brooklyn" for dinner and other reasons. I would rarely drive to other places within the "zone" (I could probably park the scooter somewhere but would fear it being damaged or stolen) but use public transit or Uber for that. So the chief purpose of having a vehicle is trips out from downtown, but I have to return home of course.

So the question remains: Is the proposal in New York to impose a toll on anyone living in Manhattan below 59th street who may own a private vehicle and want to drive it to Brooklyn or Queens (I know some great restaurants in both).
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