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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 6:15 PM
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WBEZ's headquarters has zero bearing on whether I, as a non-employee of WBEZ, have any desire to spend time there.

Yes, the art Expo is interesting but that has no inherent relationship to NP itself. Could just as easily be at McCormick place.
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 7:03 PM
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I might walk around it with a beer on a nice night
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I mean, I dont really see it appealing to people who it dosent already appeal to. The biggest thing Navy Pier offers is a sanitized way to experience Chicago that dosent require any effort or adventurousness. The sort of thing you suggest ("get a Cheval burger, but without actually needing to go to Logan or Fulton Market!") only perpetuates that.

Locals already have their own beaches, parks, restaurants, and bars that dont require descending into a tourist trap clusterf*ck. The only thing I could really see going out of the way for is the Shakespeare performances, which you cant readily get elsewhere. And thats nothing new.
Is it a tourist trap clusterfuck if it provides an actual quality experience (summarizing a large geographic area that is difficult to thoroughly explore in less than a week) in a well designed, efficient, modern space? What is wrong with pop culture exactly? You remind me of my uncle from the East Coast who doesn't think Musicals are real culture. At some point you have to take American commercialism for what it is: American culture. If anything a cleaned up, modern, hipsterised Navy Pier would be an outrageous postmodern mockery of a true American tourist trap. An "ironic" version of the old Navy Pier like a hipster wearing a trucker cap. At some point you need to be pragmatic and realize this is popular, you might not find it "tasteful", but Americans love to travel and when they do they love to go to ridiculous caricatured outlets for "a taste of the local culture". We may as well make sure that the taste they are getting is actually representative of what we are. If we are funneling millions of people through Navy Pier every year and indoctrinating them as to what Chicago is, then we may as well switch the propaganda to something more pleasant.

But I digress, the point is not everyone is so repulsed by the idea of a touristy area that they wouldn't be caught dead there. I think most people avoid Navy Pier because there is nothing of value and a lot of annoyances in a relatively uncomfortably designed public space. If you made the space pleasant and provided quality content, then I can totally see locals using it. With the right design and content it just becomes at worst another nice place on the lakefront to locals.
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Here's a photo illustrating what I'm talking about with regards to scaling back the shtick levels of the outdoor areas. It really opens the pier up to the lake views.
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 8:36 PM
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Is it a tourist trap clusterfuck if it provides an actual quality experience (summarizing a large geographic area that is difficult to thoroughly explore in less than a week) in a well designed, efficient, modern space? What is wrong with pop culture exactly? You remind me of my uncle from the East Coast who doesn't think Musicals are real culture. At some point you have to take American commercialism for what it is: American culture. If anything a cleaned up, modern, hipsterised Navy Pier would be an outrageous postmodern mockery of a true American tourist trap. An "ironic" version of the old Navy Pier like a hipster wearing a trucker cap. At some point you need to be pragmatic and realize this is popular, you might not find it "tasteful", but Americans love to travel and when they do they love to go to ridiculous caricatured outlets for "a taste of the local culture". We may as well make sure that the taste they are getting is actually representative of what we are. If we are funneling millions of people through Navy Pier every year and indoctrinating them as to what Chicago is, then we may as well switch the propaganda to something more pleasant.

But I digress, the point is not everyone is so repulsed by the idea of a touristy area that they wouldn't be caught dead there. I think most people avoid Navy Pier because there is nothing of value and a lot of annoyances in a relatively uncomfortably designed public space. If you made the space pleasant and provided quality content, then I can totally see locals using it. With the right design and content it just becomes at worst another nice place on the lakefront to locals.
Well, I could go into a longwinded Adorno-esque critique about precisely whats wrong with pop culture, but its Friday and probably not going to change anyones opinions anyway. His essays are readily available if you wish to read them. Or hell, read the Cliff notes.

And if Americans actually love to travel as much as you say, perhaps they can start by actually getting passports (which btw, is only 36% of the population) and experiencing cultures which truly differ from their own.

That said, sure, turn the Iowa tourists upside down and collect all the pocket change we can. Thats always been the point of the Pier and will continue to be. If slightly better landscaping increases the effectiveness, so be it.
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Agree it has been junk for too long. But it has always had potential
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Well, I could go into a longwinded Adorno-esque critique about precisely whats wrong with pop culture, but its Friday and probably not going to change anyones opinions anyway. His essays are readily available if you wish to read them. Or hell, read the Cliff notes.
Lol, or pop culture is popular because it's realllllly good culture that satisfies and entertains humans very well not because of conspiratorial plots to mind control the population. It seems that if you feel capitalism is evil, then you can never be satisfied with a product of that society no matter how satifying or utilitarian it is.
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Well, I could go into a longwinded Adorno-esque critique about . . .
Please don't. . . you've made your opinion clear. . . now let's move on as this topic is coming off the rails. . .

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Looks like the hotel is happening

Curio hotel, 222 rooms, rooftop bar/lounge
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Acron Finances Luxury Hotel in Chicago

Swiss real estate company Acron has agreed to finance the construction of a new luxury hotel in Chicago. In times of low interest rates, such projects are proving increasingly popular with investors.


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^ That is some serious badassery.

I really love how that will activate that area of Navy Pier. Right now when there are now exhibitions that area can seem empty. Also love the design of the hotel and the rooftop lounge. Definitely a big plus for the Pier
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^ Shouldnt that be illegal under public trust doctrine? All of Streeterville for that matter?
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^ Shouldnt that be illegal under public trust doctrine? All of Streeterville for that matter?
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Friends of the Navy Pier ? Their goal is to keep Navy Pier as a kitschy piece of shit.
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Awesome! This is some MVRDV shit right here...

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^ That is some serious badassery.

I really love how that will activate that area of Navy Pier. Right now when there are now exhibitions that area can seem empty. Also love the design of the hotel and the rooftop lounge. Definitely a big plus for the Pier
Curbed is beating it up, but I'm a believer. I love that is resembles shipping crates. The devil, as always, will be in the execution. The city views from that terrace should be amazing.
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Is Navy Pier still a pier built from wood piles like it was originally?
Or has it been filled over the century since it first opened?

I am curious due to the weight of the new ferris wheel and now this hotel project.
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Is Navy Pier still a pier built from wood piles like it was originally?
Or has it been filled over the century since it first opened?

I am curious due to the weight of the new ferris wheel and now this hotel project.
Some Portions are still on wood piles. Others have been rebuilt with drilled caissons. Remember that originally it was a municipal pier that had to accomodate trucks and rail cars off loading ships, so its got some decent inherent capacity in certian spots.

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City officials have unveiled plans for a hotel with more than 200 rooms on the east end of Navy Pier, an idea that was part of a long-term vision put forth in 2011 to remake the lakefront attraction.
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Pretty good overview of all these Navy Pier updates, past, present, and future:

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Navy Pier at 100: How the Chicago icon will be changing for the summer

Navy Pier turns 100 this summer, and visitors to the popular lakefront icon will see updates and renovations as part of its celebration. A new Ferris wheel and an interactive fountain are among the features opening Memorial Day weekend.
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It's a bit off topic, but I was in Brandon Missouri this weekend and I managed to see the old ferris wheel being built. I imagine that the views at the top will be pretty spectacular.
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It's a bit off topic, but I was in Brandon Missouri this weekend and I managed to see the old ferris wheel being built. I imagine that the views at the top will be pretty spectacular.
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