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Old Posted Aug 3, 2011, 7:46 AM
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I find the design similar to the long lost Twin Towers. It's not bad (the proposal) but it's not amazing either. I'd much rather have a little more bulkiness on the main building instead of all those other smaller towers.
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I'm sure the design is just a conceptual stand in for a real design if there ever is one. As insane as this idea sounds, Booth actually makes it sound logical in the last article that was posted. And frankly, not to be optimistic, but maybe it could work. I mean Chicago doesn't have any massive malls like this downtown. Sometimes it's the most out of the box ideas that are successful. I'm sure the tower will never happen, but I could see a successful, scaled down, version of the plan eventually coming to fruition...
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Well, I mean Chicago is gonna have to get a new supertall after 1 WTC takes tallest in the US title. If this is the one so be it, right now it's kind of a boring design, but I just hope a supertall gets built in Chicago over the next decade especially after the disappointing cancelling of the Chicago Spire.
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Well, I mean Chicago is gonna have to get a new supertall after 1 WTC takes tallest in the US title. If this is the one so be it, right now it's kind of a boring design
What an absurd argument.
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Why is it always a competition like that? I like both cities no matter who has the taller building. Tall buildings only do not a city make.
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What an absurd argument.
yeah that one was really out of left field. The PO has nothing to do with the highest of anything. If something worthwhile happens at this site it is just pure gravey.

Height????

I thought that it was quite clear nothing of this sort of height will be built at this location. Just fools gold...
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2011, 9:16 PM
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Well no, but I'm just saying competition is a good thing. I don't care whether Chicago or NY has the tallest tower, they are both great skyscraper cities, I don't really care what the tallest tower is, height is hardly the most important thing about a building, but the 2,000ft number is not accidental, they are obviously aiming for the new tallest in Chicago and America and I'm just saying good for them, keep pushing the frontier. Whether that will actually happen or not is another issue. It most likely won't but when your starting point is 2,000 that means you have another motive rather than just build another skyscraper. The whole thing will likely be forgotten in a few months, but it's fun to speculate.
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What a joke...10 floors of retail alone is ridiculous. Oh, and I'm sure work will really start 90 days after approval.
Not necessarily. If say the top 3 floors are all part of a movie cinema complex, or some other single use. Toronto's 10 Dundas Street East is about 9-10 floors of "retail" space, but the top 2-3 are just the vertically stack AMC theatres, and the bottom 2 floors are occupied only by Extreme Fitness.
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It is a bit excessive, but on the other hand it's over an expressway and basically next to the confluence of three major expressways.

Plus, in comparison, the Mall of America has 2.5 million square feet of retail space and over 20,000 parking spaces. This proposal has over 6 million square feet of retail and entertainment space and another 2 million square feet of office space.

What concerns me most is that the article says the parking is free to shoppers. I don't think the city should allow that much free parking to be dumped on the market. A tax of either $2 or $4 per car would seem appropriate. If the retailers wanted to cover that with validations, that would be their choice, but the money could be used to improve either roads or transit near the area and would at least go part of the way toward keeping driving and transit competitive.
I just briefly skimmed through this thread, but where does it say 6 million square feet of retail? That would make it by far the largest mall on the continent. Downtown Toronto's Eaton Centre is only 1.75 million square feet retail.
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^^^ It would be larger than Mall of America and would rival the Asian mega malls...
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Retail doesn't even make sense in this area because it's a fringe location. Any sort of retail would also be duplication of what is over on Michigan Ave and State Street.

Therefore, it would essentially be "shopping without the experience." Come over to this incredibly boring section of the city into this very large building. There are no attractions in that area except for Willis Tower which is not enough to influence people's decisions to spend time shopping over there.

This building should become offices or a casino with no additions at all.
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Retail doesn't even make sense in this area because it's a fringe location. Any sort of retail would also be duplication of what is over on Michigan Ave and State Street.

Therefore, it would essentially be "shopping without the experience." Come over to this incredibly boring section of the city into this very large building. There are no attractions in that area except for Willis Tower which is not enough to influence people's decisions to spend time shopping over there.

This building should become offices or a casino with no additions at all.
Although having a casino sounds good, I believe it actually attracts cartels and casinos to operate illegally by laundering money which will then make the city more corrupt than it already is.
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This is an absolute joke.
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Although having a casino sounds good, I believe it actually attracts cartels and casinos to operate illegally by laundering money which will then make the city more corrupt than it already is.
The police could be arrested him as charge of money laundering. Could be real problem with the money. I don't think happening to being built new taller tower.
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^ interesting concept, but that rendering is missing an image of flying pigs.
I'm thinking the foundations will make a great ice rink one day.
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I'm building a giant hollow one out of wood on wheels. I plan to donate it to New York as a tolken of our friendship... I'm definitely not filling it up with a large portion of the CPD or anything...
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Has this just become a thread to post random thoughts and ideas or is there anything to actually talk about related to this project?
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^^^ The cow is in an inside joke of sorts between Chicago fourmers.
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