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Old Posted Apr 4, 2014, 1:37 AM
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Good contribution. Anyway, I don't know why I am even discussing race with you; you are, after all, the one who thought Augustine of Hippo was black because he was born in Africa. I guess I, like Mr Roboto, think such a twisted opinion should have a little light shone upon it.
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Good contribution. Anyway, I don't know why I am even discussing race with you; you are, after all, the one who thought Augustine of Hippo was black because he was born in Africa. I guess I, like Mr Roboto, think such a twisted opinion should have a little light shone upon it.
Lol, just don't sweep me up in that. I don't agree with him beyond my comments on the cause of the problem.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2014, 3:17 AM
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^. What, bailing on me? I'm glad that as an Asian I don't suffer from "white guilt" and don't have to play the idiotic PC game.

My parents were given zero handouts. They had neither toilets or electricity. And here I am.

Succeeding in America is easy. Whiners here deserve zero sympathy
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Good contribution. Anyway, I don't know why I am even discussing race with you; you are, after all, the one who thought Augustine of Hippo was black because he was born in Africa. I guess I, like Mr Roboto, think such a twisted opinion should have a little light shone upon it.
You have confused me with somebody else. I have zero recollection of this discussion
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^. What, bailing on me? I'm glad that as an Asian I don't suffer from "white guilt" and don't have to play the idiotic PC game.

My parents were given zero handouts. They had neither toilets or electricity. And here I am.

Succeeding in America is easy. Whiners here deserve zero sympathy
Well Chicago has a lot of immigrants, we arent all white yuppies and hipsters on this board. My family came here from a SE Asian country with nothing much materially, and gave me nothing materially either. I had no economic advantage growing up in a single parent household with multiple siblings in an apartment.

But I was given values. For one, I was instilled with a sense of understanding privilege, and that I shouldn't project my own experiences, or my own family's experiences, onto others since the world is complex and deals many of us rather different hands to play with.

I have met many less privileged than me, and many who were more privileged than me, and understand that our own actions are not fully what give us the economic position in society we have today. And when I say privileged this includes the values I was blessed to be given - I was privileged because I was taught to work hard, taught to value education, I was taught to believe it will pay off. I didnt ask for those, they were given to me. I was also privileged to not be expected to be slow in class, to not have to worry about being shot or harassed by gangs, to not have to be pressured to be a violent individual. (And still I was lured by those things as a teenager and almost didnt graduate school.)

I also was taught to have empathy for my fellow human beings, as more often than not, they are usually the same as I am deep within. They all want a sense of responsibility, to able to reach a sense of accomplishment, and to be able to reach some level of success. It is often only our circumstances that makes us different, the different roadblocks we face. And I will tell you, being from an asian immigrant family you or I face entirely different roadblocks than others from entrenched poverty in the US; both physical and psychological that apparently you have little hope of ever seeing or understanding. Actually how about in asia, you see the little kids running around with nothing, begging or selling trinkets on busy streets? Do you think they are any less of a person than you? Where do you think they end up, what chance do they have for success? Are they any less deserving of a right to live a happy life than you or me? I know, international poverty is on a whole other level.

But as far as Chicago, it would help to at least try to understand some of the people in the city you care about. Why the tale of Chicagoland is about two cities, one a violent troubling one, the other an affluent one, in such a close proximity to one another. A lot of the crime and murders in this city is less than 5 miles from my centrally located house. We all have to share this place, we all have to share resources, and to put it coldly and bluntly, we all have to pay for the hospital wounds for the gunshot victims they show on that TV series some way or another. So we might as well try to make it work as well as possible for all of us, solve the problems. You bring up NYC as if they just threw out all the poor people. Well, no they actually have a much better history of dealing with poverty than Chicago as well. Look at the track record of NYCHA and CHA as an example.

Again, if no one can appeal to your human side, maybe your capitalistic side can at least appreciate that the economics make sense for all of us.


BTW, your aversion to the term PC means you have an aversion to understanding others.
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^ Fair enough.

But keep in mind, I am an equal opportunity hater of "hand outs". Take a look at my criticism of runaway CEO pay in this thread. To me that is as much a handout as redistributing resources to the poor.

The notion of "lets give you more money because you are already rich" is even more offensive than "lets give you more money because you are poor".

I really do believe that everybody between the top 1% and the bottom 10% or so are getting the shaft in this society.
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^Ill give you that sure.

But keep in mind I also dont think we should just give poor people money as hand outs either. I think that the welfare system needs reform. It is simply not efficient. Im more for providing some form of access or assistance for jobs, education, training, housing, rather than just giving link cards and checks (which all should be highly conditional and limited in term length).
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You have confused me with somebody else. I have zero recollection of this discussion
"Roman Emperors," not Augustine of Hippo. Although I imagine you'd misinterpret his racial makeup, too, as he was also an African-born Roman.

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I really do believe that everybody between the top 1% and the bottom 10% or so are getting the shaft in this society.
It's not even the top 1% that's really pulling the strings. When you drill down, recent studies showed that 90% of the top 1% haven't experience that same kind of wealth growth like the 0.1% have. Really, if your net worth is under 8 figures, you may still have a very comfortable life. But you really have no influence.
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I'm glad that as an Asian I don't suffer from "white guilt" and don't have to play the idiotic PC game.

My parents were given zero handouts. They had neither toilets or electricity. And here I am.

Succeeding in America is easy. Whiners here deserve zero sympathy
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how African slaves couldn't succeed when they were bound and forcibly relocated to this country. Probably a culture of laziness.
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Chicago to vie for George Lucas' museum

Billionaire "Star Wars" creator George Lucas, who wants to establish a major museum to house his significant art and movie memorabilia collection, is considering Chicago as the location after plans for his $300 million Lucas Cultural Arts Museum stalled in San Francisco.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants the museum and is expected to create a task force of community leaders to identify potential sites. The city will submit a proposal to Lucas in the coming months, said David Spielfogel, a senior adviser to Emanuel.

Lucas' institution, excitedly identified by one San Francisco publication as "a world-class museum of the digital arts," would house a collection that includes valuable Norman Rockwell paintings, examples of the Hollywood special effects he pioneered at Industrial Light & Magic, and memorabilia such as a scale model of the Millennium Falcon, the fictional spacecraft commanded by Han Solo.


Article: http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...881F9245367I5X
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Chicago to vie for George Lucas' museum

Billionaire "Star Wars" creator George Lucas, who wants to establish a major museum to house his significant art and movie memorabilia collection, is considering Chicago as the location after plans for his $300 million Lucas Cultural Arts Museum stalled in San Francisco.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants the museum and is expected to create a task force of community leaders to identify potential sites. The city will submit a proposal to Lucas in the coming months, said David Spielfogel, a senior adviser to Emanuel.

Lucas' institution, excitedly identified by one San Francisco publication as "a world-class museum of the digital arts," would house a collection that includes valuable Norman Rockwell paintings, examples of the Hollywood special effects he pioneered at Industrial Light & Magic, and memorabilia such as a scale model of the Millennium Falcon, the fictional spacecraft commanded by Han Solo.


Article: http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...881F9245367I5X
That would be huge.



Some key points from the article. I was going to post this in the business section because of the economic effects.




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Lucas' institution, excitedly identified by one San Francisco publication as "a world-class museum of the digital arts," would house a collection that includes valuable Norman Rockwell paintings, examples of the Hollywood special effects he pioneered at Industrial Light & Magic, and memorabilia such as a scale model of the Millennium Falcon, the fictional spacecraft commanded by Han Solo.

The decision to consider Chicago reflects Lucas' recent commitment to the city. The 69-year-old filmmaker, who is worth an estimated $5 billion, is married to Chicago investment executive Mellody Hobson.

Lucas has been living part time in downtown Chicago.

In the past year, Lucas and Hobson have committed $25 million each to two local, education-focused charities: the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools and After School Matters.

"The city of Chicago has enthusiastically welcomed me and I consider Chicago to be my second home," Lucas said in a statement. "I look forward to working with community leaders to see if Chicago can become home to the Lucas Cultural Arts Museum."

... Emanuel has been pursuing Lucas' collection for months.

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Among the centerpieces of the collection are works by painter and illustrator Maxfield Parrish and Rockwell, which, when combined with Lucas' friend Steven Spielberg's Rockwell collection, packed the galleries of the Smithsonian American Art Museum in 2010.


"We're not talking about your grandfather's old museum," Perry said. "We're talking about a museum that is going to stretch the boundaries of the museumgoing experience."

The museum would be built and endowed without taxpayer support, Spielfogel and Perry pledged. When pressed whether the gift of public land would be deemed "taxpayer support," Perry responded that it would depend on Chicago's offer.

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Lucas has said the museum would receive a $400 million endowment over time.


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Should Chicago win the museum, Perry said the institution would need to grow in size to make up for the loss of current, off-site storage in San Francisco. He also said previous architectural renderings would be tossed and the design process would start anew.

"I really do want to stress from the beginning, we're not trying to play funny with words and say we may come back at you for this tax, or for this request for money," Perry said. "This is a gift of philanthropy in the style of a Rockefeller, a Carnegie, a Mellon or a Smithson (the founding donor of the Smithsonian Institution). This is a sort of once-in-a-lifetime gift of philanthropy that this country hasn't seen from a cultural perspective in many, many decades."

Chicago would seem to have some advantages over San Francisco, namely greater tourism traffic. Chicago set a record in 2012, the most recent year for which annual figures are available, with 46.37 million visitors. Emanuel recently increased the city's goal to 55 million visitors annually by 2020, up from 50 million.

The city of San Francisco attracted 16.51 million visitors in 2012, according to the San Francisco Travel Association.

"I think Chicago has a diversity of communities and level of accessibility that is unparalleled in the country," Spielfogel said. "We've got a larger, more vibrant city that would allow for a bigger audience, and we have a very supportive government who sees the potential for this to help on a local and international level."

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I don't know...

I'd be shocked if the museum ended up here. Lucas is probably doing a little gamesmanship. I hate to say, but it just seems more appropriate to be located in SF, not that I wouldn't love to see it in Chitown.
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^. I don't know about that. We have the advantage of his wife's influence and Rahm's...persuasiveness.
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New Chicago casino plan rises, but rocks ahead April 16, 2014

Armed with a revised plan and a new sponsor, advocates for a huge Chicago casino today will kick off the latest campaign to bring a massive gambling emporium downtown.


The plan will be the subject of an all-day Illinois House committee hearing, and it seems a little more realistic than some earlier versions. Even better for proponents, Gov. Pat Quinn has hinted that the latest version comes closer to what he wants than previous bills that he blocked.


But despite that, the proposal still faces long odds of clearing the Illinois General Assembly this spring, even though both the city and state badly need the revenue the casino might generate. A Chicago casino could feature up to 10,000 gambling positions, much larger than Rivers Casino in northwest suburban Des Plaines, which is licensed for just 1,200.

The latest proposal — in two parts — comes from state Rep. Bob Rita, D-Blue Island, who has taken over sponsorship of casino legislation from Skokie Democrat Lou Lang, who recently walked away from the issue after years of frustration.


One version of the measure, an amendment to SB 1739, would authorize five new casinos in downtown Chicago, the south suburbs and in or near Danville, Rockford and Waukegan. The measure also would authorize slot machines at racetracks and guarantee horsemen a cut of the take from casinos. That's the "Big Bill" approach Mr. Lang had followed in an effort to provide something of value to a multitude of Springfield interest groups.

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I read an article on the proposed Lucas museum in the tribune today, and part of the committee that is assigned with choosing a site proposal is none other than Jeanne Gang...
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Devestating news.



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Hot Doug's closing doors for good in October

By Kevin Pang

Tribune reporter

4:05 PM CDT, May 6, 2014

In this, our city built on encased meats, where a condiment like ketchup is holy sacrilege, where relish can only look like it’s been exposed to plutonium-239, there is but one abiding truth: Chicago takes its hot dogs seriously.

So when news came Tuesday morning, first on its home page, that the beloved hot dog stand Hot Doug’s was closing after 13 years of business, the ensuing reaction was thunderous.

Social media exploded in a chorus of nooooooooo’s.

Celebrities tweeted their lament.

Nearly every media organization in town camped out on the corner of Roscoe Street and California Avenue in Avondale, cameras trained at customers waiting in line, hoping to capture some sound bite of sorrow. Its owner and chef Doug Sohn said the restaurant will close for good at 4 p.m. on Oct. 3.

“I’m not burnt out. I also don’t want to be burnt out. It’s just time,” Sohn said.

By midday Tuesday, a line of diners stretched 50-deep along Roscoe, a familiar sight during Saturdays in the summer. It just so happens the occassion was a living wake.


“It’s like a dirge out here,” said Jacob Simmons, a 30-year-old from Logan Square, who arrived in line with his friend at 11:44 a.m. and would wait 47 minutes to order four hot dogs. “We came to pay our respects.”

The intense reaction may border on hyperbole, but Hot Doug’s is the rare restaurant that’s crossed over from mere sausage purveyor to pop cultural flashpoint. Its devotion seems real. Witness the many television appearances on national food shows (Anthony Bourdain’s “No Reservations”), the theme song composed by a fan (with acoustic remix!), a hardcover coffeetable book, celebrity endorsements — Aziz Ansari, Anna Kendrick et al., who waits in line with everyone else, no line jumping — and even those fanantical enough to tattoo a Hot Doug’s logo on their body with the promise of free hot dogs for the life of the business.

“I’ve taken a lot of advantage of it. It’s kind of a ritual now,” said Kirk Faber, who’s had his Hot Doug’s tattoo for a few years. He said he plans to be here once or twice a week this summer before it closes.

“I might have a heart attack. But, you know, that’s the price you pay for delicious, delicious food. And love.”

It’s just a hot dog place, sure, but it’s a hot dog place open only for only five-and-a-half hours, six days a week, blasting punk rock from loudspeakers and serving the most inventive sandwiches in the city. The restaurant’s gourmet take on the venerable hot dog looks like it was concocted by some culinary school-trained chef — and indeed Sohn was a 1995 graduate of Kendall College. On Fridays and Saturdays, the restaurant would serve french fries fried in duck fat. Sohn was doing this before duck fat frying was de rigueur at every white tablecloth restaurant across the country.

His was the restaurant bridging high gastronomy and Everyman Chicago food, making accessible high-end ingredients to the proletariat, such as serving a foie gras and Sauternes duck sausage with truffle aioli, foie gras mousse and sprinkled with fleur de sel for $10. It was this particular sandwich that earned Sohn a citation from the city during Chicago’s foie gras ban between 2006-2008. Rather than take duck liver off the menu, he displayed the $500 ticket on his counter in defiance. That hot dog remains on the menu today.

That combination of cheery kitsch, insubordinate streak, ambitious food, limited schedule, The Clash soundtrack, plus personal face time with Mr. Hot Doug himself — Sohn is the only man who takes your order — has garnered them street cred that is the envy of every restaurateur in the country.

Standing in line Tuesday was ...


Tribune reporter Brian Cassella contributed.
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Hot Dougs closing is a tremendous blow. I'm actually way more bummed out about that than when the initial Charlie Trotters closing announcement occurred years ago. Given how long the lines are at Hot Dougs, can you imagine what they're gonna be like now?
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Off topic request, can a mod please put a cool smiley tag on this thread? Those a really helpful for quickly navigating the chicago topics while still being exposed to the other interesting ideas and threads on this board as well.

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