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Old Posted Dec 13, 2015, 1:44 PM
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Did construction costs go up? were those anamolies? ... Ideas?
1. Stick frame construction at 4 or 5 stories is cheaper than 15 or 20 stories of concrete or steel.
2. It's much easier to finance apartments.
3. There's a proven market for apartments in Downtown, River North, Southtown in this exact form (Want to develop a property? Do what everyone else has done. Banks will easily finance that.)
4. The market isn't available for high rise condo living in San Antonio.
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1. Stick frame construction at 4 or 5 stories is cheaper than 15 or 20 stories of concrete or steel.
2. It's much easier to finance apartments.
3. There's a proven market for apartments in Downtown, River North, Southtown in this exact form (Want to develop a property? Do what everyone else has done. Banks will easily finance that.)
4. The market isn't available for high rise condo living in San Antonio.
Intriguing answers. I'm going to take Alteza out of the convo as it's part of the Grand Hyatt and that was a City-driven project from my understanding. So that leaves me wondering about Vistana, Vidorra Broadway.

1. Stick frame has always been cheaper, but we still have these three steel frame projects. It's four again if you add the Cascada project, but that's from a few years earlier. And condo.

2. Completely right!

3. There's a proven market now, but there wasn't one back in '06 when these projects were starting. Nobody lived downtown, fewer employers, there was no Pearl, no river extensions, no main plaza, and no cycling culture. They still got built. Why?

4. If there isn't a market now, I'd imagine less of one in '06/'07. If the apartment rents still don't justify taller buildings today, I'd imagine the pro forma on a condo tower wouldn't balance either. Did it back then?

Or were these projects just part of the housing bubble and never based on substantial demand?

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I have no idea about the economics but if I were to design a strategy to urbanize the huge area of underutilized property in and around the center it would involve a whole lot of 4-5 story mixed use and other infill. Not to discount the idea of mid rise but it is far easier to cover a lot of ground and begin to give people the feeling of choice without a car. I would take 4 square blocks of 4-5 story mixed use over a Vistana, and certainly over the other cheap condo projects. If it is a policy objective to expedite infill development whether low or midrise, it would make sense that the subsidies and fee waivers continue to be based on unit count rather than density.

That's an excellent point!

I don't know if the City had a well-defined infill policy back then, but the current one is unit-based. Do you think that policy change was a primary driver?
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with all of the infill projects wrapping up and breaking ground, and with the new high rise proposals, I think it's time for a new map to properly visualize things!!!
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Here's a recap of the tallest buildings recently proposed for downtown.

FROST HEADQUARTERS │ OFFICE │ 400 FEET










THOMPSON HOTEL AND RESIDENCES │ MIXED-USE │ 273 FEET




CANOPY HOTEL │ HOTEL │ 247 FEET


JMJ TOWER RIVERWALK │ RESIDENTIAL │ 30 STORIES

This is only a massing rendering. It is not a final design.


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AWESOME! They all NEED to get built!!

Anything on the Cambria Hotel on Main St.?
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UPDATED recap of the tallest buildings proposed for downtown San Antonio.


FROST HEADQUARTERS │ OFFICE │ 400 FEET











THOMPSON HOTEL AND RESIDENCES │ MIXED-USE │ 273 FEET





CANOPY HOTEL │ HOTEL │ 247 FEET



CAMBRIA HOTEL AND OFFICE │ MIXED-USE │ 225 FT






JMJ TOWER RIVERWALK │ RESIDENTIAL │ 30 STORIES

This is only a massing rendering. It is not a final design.


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