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Old Posted May 5, 2017, 7:12 PM
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With regard to the arena...it's initial capacity will be about 12,500 (for basketball). However, it will be designed to be expanded to roughly 17,000 if and when it is needed in the future.

Just the location though is a nightmare. The old Compaq Center (Summit) in Houston couldn't get any NCAA events because of the nightmare it was to get in and out of it. The garage system was a mess. Getting into the campus will be a huge headache. The only road access will be MLK and it'll have the new medial center on the south side of the street.

The garage that is proposed next to the arena only has 1,200 spaces. That is about half the size that you would want for a dedicated garage for a 17-20k arena and you have to hope that all of the medical center garages will be fully available and empty for events.

You just need to hope that public transportation will be a lot better by then or they could build some direct connection ramps from the highway frontage road into garages to bypass having to turn west on MLK
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Just the location though is a nightmare. The old Compaq Center (Summit) in Houston couldn't get any NCAA events because of the nightmare it was to get in and out of it. The garage system was a mess. Getting into the campus will be a huge headache. The only road access will be MLK and it'll have the new medial center on the south side of the street.

The garage that is proposed next to the arena only has 1,200 spaces. That is about half the size that you would want for a dedicated garage for a 17-20k arena and you have to hope that all of the medical center garages will be fully available and empty for events.

You just need to hope that public transportation will be a lot better by then or they could build some direct connection ramps from the highway frontage road into garages to bypass having to turn west on MLK

If CapMetro's highway BRT on 35 ever actually happens, they could run those right up alongside.
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Old Posted May 5, 2017, 9:35 PM
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The new location isn't that far from the Erwin Center. I'm not sure it will be anymore of a hassle to get to. If over 100,000 people can get into the football stadium (many are non UT students), then surely it won't be an issue to get 12,500 people into the new arena.
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And there's that huge garage across 35 by Disch-Falk.
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Old Posted May 5, 2017, 11:21 PM
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The new location isn't that far from the Erwin Center. I'm not sure it will be anymore of a hassle to get to. If over 100,000 people can get into the football stadium (many are non UT students), then surely it won't be an issue to get 12,500 people into the new arena.

That's true. I do think it's easier to figure out how to get in and get out of the stadium during the day or on the weekend than it would be at 10:00 pm during the week but maybe not.

To be clear, the concerns I was bringing up were assuming the best case scenario that the city and ut team up to pay for a 17k seat arena and it can continue to host top events. I don't think you'll have a problem if the arena stays at 12.5k because it's not going to host many of the events that the Erwin center currently hosts.


I do think that the main access point changing from 15th to MLK is pretty significant. 15th has more capacity for cars and runs from 35 all the way to mopac. MLK is constantly backed up. People could still get to mik from the west side but it's a lot of cars sitting and turning through untimed lights and driving up through west campus.
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With regard to the arena...it's initial capacity will be about 12,500 (for basketball). However, it will be designed to be expanded to roughly 17,000 if and when it is needed in the future.
Better yet, design and build a 5K - 17K stadium that can be transformed to any size from 5K seating to 17K seats depending on the event by enclosing or opening up seating sections. 12,500 seats seem fine for UT basketball, too small for top touring acts. But why should UT care about those anyway? Rick Derringer, Peter Frampton, Three Dog Night, Styx, and the surviving members of The Monkeys would love to play there in a 12K arena, might even fill it half way.
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It would have been cool to build it on the Austin American Statesman land which is being shopped to developers or next to the domain. You have the kind of commercial development in shops, restaurants and bars to support a big arena like that. Rockrose street at the domain is pretty cool. There is also Metro Rapid bus service to the Domain and you'll see express service down the new toll lanes of MoPac to get you across the city to the domain/north austin very quickly. That is if it is ever finished.


Not the exact design I would go with, but I posted this on thread a few years ago because I think this would be a good location for an all purpose arena, not for UT basketball however.
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I interned at the Statesman in college (a long time ago) and I'm familiar with the area. While it is close to downtown but separated by the river, I think the area is best served by building residential with retail. Big arenas should be geographically near downtowns generally, but I think east of 35 might be a better location, with a rail transit station next to it. Like where it say E. Riverside on this map.

Sorry it's so big. Is there code I could add to post it at 30% or so?


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I interned at the Statesman in college (a long time ago) and I'm familiar with the area. While it is close to downtown but separated by the river, I think the area is best served by building residential with retail. Big arenas should be geographically near downtowns generally, but I think east of 35 might be a better location, with a rail transit station next to it. Like where it say E. Riverside on this map.

Sorry it's so big. Is there code I could add to post it at 30% or so?

http://centralaustincdc.org/images/1...ment_rev01.jpg
I'm not aware of any code to make it smaller. One option is to copy and paste the image url into another window and you'll get a smaller version of it, like this:

http://centralaustincdc.org/images/1...ment_rev01.jpg
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Chip Brown reporting:




This is the first potential "inside" information that addresses the likely cost and capacity but take it with a grain of salt since it comes from a ut sports site. Chip Brown has a checkered past with this stuff.

This definitely creates a problem for the city of Austin. It might lose the ability to host a lot of non UT events without a standard larger arena. It will also be even more difficult from non students to get to and park in a new arena that is on campus particularly because the light rail train that would have gone by failed a couple years ago. There has been a lingering question of what to do with an increased hotel tax with a needed convention center expansion getting the most emphasis by outside groups as oppose to building a new arena or partnering with UT for a bigger arena. I'm torn because I see the need for both. The city would benefit greatly from expanding the convention center but you want people to have the opportunity to see a lot of cool touring acts in a big arena. Renovating and expanding the Travis County Expo arena is also on the table but that is so far away. Arenas are typically very close or reasonably close to the city core. I would love for the city to build a standard nice arena that most cities have but without the possibility of ever getting a regular tenant like a NFL or NBA team, it raises the question of if they could fill it with enough events during the year. Austin's minor league hockey and basketball teams do not draw nearly enough fans to justify an arena like that. It would have been cool to build it on the Austin American Statesman land which is being shopped to developers or next to the domain. You have the kind of commercial development in shops, restaurants and bars to support a big arena like that. Rockrose street at the domain is pretty cool. There is also Metro Rapid bus service to the Domain and you'll see express service down the new toll lanes of MoPac to get you across the city to the domain/north austin very quickly. That is if it is ever finished.
The capacity figure was published with the new masterplan last year. Austin already knew UT had decided on a campus location and a much reduced capacity but with expansion possibilities similar to Nebraska's recent arena build. The previous recent announcement addressed which on campus location was chosen. The other sites were between DKR and MLK in various locations. The only new speculation here is the price tag.
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Old Posted May 7, 2017, 8:47 PM
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if the roughly $100 million budget for this arena is true...it's going to be pretty crappy (in both amenities and more importantly, aesthetics).
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