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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 12:44 PM
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Wow. That looks almost cartoonishly tall. Hopefully we don't end up with something so graceless.
How is it "cartoonishly tall and graceless"? Care to elaborate?
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 1:06 PM
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Wow. That looks almost cartoonishly tall. Hopefully we don't end up with something so graceless.
I think the cladding will make or break this buildings cartoonish-ness. Also, the earlier comment about revising the setbacks was an astute one. That would help with its grace.
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I think I like the original design better. The bow shape of the original south tower is more stylish and unique than the new designed. I almost wish it was a hybrid of both towers - keep the bow shape and add setbacks and a spire.

This could be a cost saving design. A tower without curves is probably cheaper.

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I think I like the original design better. The bow shape of the original south tower is more stylish and unique than the new designed. I almost wish it was a hybrid of both towers - keep the bow shape and add setbacks and a spire.

This could be a cost saving design. A tower without curves is probably cheaper.
I loathe the bowed middle of the original design - looks like an overweight skyscraper trying to fit into skinny jeans. The new design isn't groundbreaking, but at least it's a little more elegant.
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I loathe the bowed middle of the original design - looks like an overweight skyscraper trying to fit into skinny jeans. The new design isn't groundbreaking, but at least it's a little more elegant.
I agree to a point. I wasn't a big fan of the bow either, but it would have been awesome if it were a cantilever akin to the Sofitel, projecting over the river.
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I think I like the original design better. The bow shape of the original south tower is more stylish and unique than the new designed. I almost wish it was a hybrid of both towers - keep the bow shape and add setbacks and a spire.

This could be a cost saving design. A tower without curves is probably cheaper.
It's also cheaper to have a tower where all of the floors are the same shape within each zone rather than having every floor slightly different, and therefore requiring custom slab edge form-work and a slightly different curtain wall design on every floor.

I'm not sold on the new design though. Like others have said, the proportions on the south tower setbacks are awkward and need more study.
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it reminded me of some kind of larva before
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 3:21 PM
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This building is in a hard spot, it has to find away to address the south and main branch. Hopefully Cesar Pelli can pull it of.
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Make that 1250 feet tall and it would look nice, with an illuminated changing color spire.
At second glance, judging by the neighboring buildings (500 and 700+ ish) it looks to be at least approaching the 1200 range (to spire) so probably not too far off.
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I haven't seen this rendering of Wolf Point before. Now that I have, I'm *much* happier with the redesign. It's far more graceful than this fat thing.
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I think the previous design had a lot more cohesiveness and looked very graceful over the river. This new render/proposal has a bit of in your face magnificence, begging viewers to look at it rather than 150 or 444. And really the lack of cohesiveness doesn't matter that much, because in terms of the skyline, the South and East towers will stand out a lot more and be much more recognizable. The East tower's design is now vastly superior to the blob it was before. It also looks like they've added green space in front of it; I'm not sure what spurred that.

I'm also confused as to why the glass appears to different than the West, perhaps they just wanted to copy+paste? Maybe it's just the shadows/reflections
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Agreed.

Though I think the new East Tower is a sizable improvement I actually think the new South Tower loses some of its more refinded subtleties. It looks 1980s to me. Without much in the way in the way of significant added height. Plus I find spires to be often overused (especially in NYC over the last decade) and this tower is a case in point.
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I like the old south tower better also...i do like the new east tower better though. I think the real deciding factor for me is when i get to see a view of it from the side.
I agree with all of you. I am not a fan of the new South Tower design from this perspective. It's kind of a mess.

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I loathe the bowed middle of the original design - looks like an overweight skyscraper trying to fit into skinny jeans.
I also agree with this assessment. IMO, the design would have been better served if they maintained the below elevation on all sides:



...something akin to the PCP Salesforce Tower going up in San Francisco:

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I just found an interior rendering for the new Wolf Point Hotel:

Is this a joke?
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I haven't seen this rendering of Wolf Point before. Now that I have, I'm *much* happier with the redesign. It's far more graceful than this fat thing.
Now that you say that, the old one somehow reminds me of a 1 WTC that's been sliced by a katana.
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Is this a joke?
yes

Actually, the new design is growing on me a little bit. I need to see a side view, but the slenderness is appealing. Except for that damn spire.
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How is it "cartoonishly tall and graceless"? Care to elaborate?
It looks like something you get if you asked a 12 year old to draw you a "really tall building"... or maybe like you took a 500 foot tall building out of Dallas or Charlotte or somewhere, clad it in glass (that awful blue glass that is oh so tiresome), and stretched it to double it's height. Oh, and then added a stick on the top. Come on guys, exit the 1990s for god's sake.

I mean, I knew Pelli Clarke Pelli kind of sucked as a firm, but come on. They should at least try to create something half as strong as the tower next door.
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Quick shop job showing WPS with no spire and lower shoulders.

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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 7:27 PM
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seems if you like the trump spire you would like this one
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Quick shop job showing WPS with no spire and lower shoulders.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2015, 7:35 PM
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Quick shop job showing WPS with no spire and lower shoulders.

Wow, nevermind this looks a lot better without a spire.
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