HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForumSkyscraper Posters
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Highrise & Supertall Proposals

Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #21  
Old Posted Oct 22, 2015, 11:45 PM
harryc's Avatar
harryc harryc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Oak Park, Il
Posts: 8,330
Last August

__________________
Harry C --- Chicago rep for SkyRise Cities ---- My Flickr stream HRC_OakPark
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. B Franklin.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #22  
Old Posted Oct 22, 2015, 11:53 PM
Randomguy34's Avatar
Randomguy34 Randomguy34 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Chicago & Haverford College
Posts: 712
Wow, to think it's been a year since we hoped that Garrett Kelleher and Atlas would pay off the initial spire debt so that the plan would be back on. If Related is being as secretive as they are on the project, they better have a design that will stun us
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #23  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 12:11 AM
chris11 chris11 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 73
What are the odds Kelleher ever tries to build again? I know hes a native and seemed to really have a passion for the spire/helping with the 2016 bid. Not saying any investors would take him on another 2000 ft project but nonetheless is he out of the game?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #24  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 1:18 AM
BVictor1's Avatar
BVictor1 BVictor1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 8,780
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris11 View Post
What are the odds Kelleher ever tries to build again? I know hes a native and seemed to really have a passion for the spire/helping with the 2016 bid. Not saying any investors would take him on another 2000 ft project but nonetheless is he out of the game?
It's not his land, so there's n chance.
__________________
titanic1
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #25  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 1:37 AM
spyguy's Avatar
spyguy spyguy is offline
THAT Guy
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 5,577
2WTC is commercial office; Spire going to be residential (maybe with a hotel?). Given his other residential/mixed-use towers in Canada & Miami, it would be safer to expect something twisty for this proposal.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #26  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 1:54 AM
munchymunch's Avatar
munchymunch munchymunch is offline
MPLSXCHI
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Omicron Persei 8
Posts: 1,022
I have a feeling this could be sls.
__________________
"I don't want to be interesting. I want to be good." -Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #27  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 9:28 AM
Notyrview's Avatar
Notyrview Notyrview is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New York City
Posts: 951
^^^^ Waldorf Astoria was a nice design but too safe for 2015. We need something new and exciting, something that breaks the mold, like Gang and Jahn's proposals.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #28  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 11:59 AM
Tom Servo's Avatar
Tom Servo Tom Servo is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,649
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibba View Post
Hmmm... would rather have Smith & Gil, Herzog, or Richard Rogers than the contrivance I'm afraid BIG will propose, but I'll wait and see, obviously.
Smith & Gill? Uh, no thanks. Adrian Smith was the head architect behind the tower of shit that is Trump Tower. Again, pass.

Herzog + De Meuron might be the greatest architecture firm in the world. One step at a time. But I like your thinking.

Agreed on Richard Rogers too. He kicks ass. Puts BIG and their silly digram-heavy design gimmicks to shame.

That being said, I still really like pretty much everything coming out of the BIG office. And anything BIG [potentially] dreams up for this site would likely be visually stunning as their work tends to be better than great. They're like the world-class version of Studio Gang.


newcondosinvancouver.com

designboom.com

dailymail.co.uk



dezeen.com

greendiary.com


...yeah, let's not forget how exceptionally good they are at designing tall buildings.


Quote:
I still haven't fully mourned the loss of the Spire. Sigh...
Meh, it was awkwardly tall anyway. Whatever. Would've been nice because Calatrava and all, but the thing looked like a giant unicorn horn. Was never 100% sold on it to be honest.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #29  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 2:33 PM
chris11 chris11 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVictor1 View Post
It's not his land, so there's n chance.
Not speaking of the spire site, just as a developer in general.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 2:40 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
Professional Midwesterner
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Edgewater, Chicago
Posts: 17,589
thanks, tom, for that visual compilation of BIG's previous and current tower work. it looks like we can expect something interesting. it may be good, it may be shit, but at the very least i don't think BIG will give us boring at this supremely high profile site.




Quote:
Originally Posted by chris11 View Post
What are the odds Kelleher ever tries to build again?
ever tries to build a 2,000' tall 2 billion dollar skyscraper? i'd say zero.

ever tries to build anything at all? who knows.



Quote:
Originally Posted by chris11 View Post
I know hes a native.
kelleher is not a native chicagoan, he's an immigrant from ireland.
__________________
He has to go.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #31  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 2:49 PM
Jibba's Avatar
Jibba Jibba is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,487
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
Smith & Gill? Uh, no thanks. Adrian Smith was the head architect behind the tower of shit that is Trump Tower. Again, pass.
Let's be fair, now. S&G is arguably a very talented firm that consistently delivers. Their buildings are high-quality and high-performance. And they know how to use materials beautifully.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #32  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 3:31 PM
rgolch's Avatar
rgolch rgolch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
INCAPABLE OF DISAGREEING MORE STRONGLY.

granville tower is one hell of a cool little odd-ball gem.

i was at my cousin's wedding in the park kitty-corner to it over the summer and my brother-in-law (a high school teacher with no specific interest in architecture) looked up at granville tower and said, without any provocation from me, "that sure is a strange looking building. i don't know if i like it or not, but it's so weird it's actually kinda cool".

i smiled benignly.
I used to live in Granville Tower as a college student at Loyola back in the 90's. They weren't bad at all. Duplexes with balconies and great views.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #33  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 3:33 PM
UPChicago's Avatar
UPChicago UPChicago is online now
Vote for me for Mayor!
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Chicago
Posts: 584
Chicago could have had something like this had both the Spire and Waldorf been constructed.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #34  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 4:39 PM
Yesh222 Yesh222 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 70
Why not just build the Spire on the site? Seriously. It was a unique design, it was huge, and it would look really cool from dozens of miles away. There was nothing wrong with the plan, just the funding. If Related has the money for it, why not just build it?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #35  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 4:45 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
Professional Midwesterner
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Edgewater, Chicago
Posts: 17,589
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesh222 View Post
Why not just build the Spire on the site? Seriously. It was a unique design, it was huge, and it would look really cool from dozens of miles away. There was nothing wrong with the plan, just the funding. If Related has the money for it, why not just build it?
buildings don't get built because they are unique, huge, or "look really cool from dozens of miles away". they get built to make money.

my guess is that related does not believe that they can get a positive ROI on this particular piece of property by building a 2+ billion dollar calatrava* mega tower.

they're probably right.



(*) calatrava projects are notorious for going WAY over budget. another strike.
__________________
He has to go.

Last edited by Steely Dan; Oct 23, 2015 at 5:16 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #36  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 5:49 PM
Yesh222 Yesh222 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
buildings don't get built because they are unique, huge, or "look really cool from dozens of miles away". they get built to make money.

my guess is that related does not believe that they can get a positive ROI on this particular piece of property by building a 2+ billion dollar calatrava* mega tower.

they're probably right.



(*) calatrava projects are notorious for going WAY over budget. another strike.
Interesting. I mean, whatever they build here will be huge and will probably go well over $1B in budget. So they think they can get a good ROI anyway. And it's not like the Spire failed because it wouldn't have made money. It was because the original developer couldn't afford to try.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #37  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 5:52 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
Professional Midwesterner
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Edgewater, Chicago
Posts: 17,589
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesh222 View Post
And it's not like the Spire failed because it wouldn't have made money.
in a sense that's EXACTLY why it failed. no one was willing to loan kelleher the 2 billion dollars because every single lender who could have afforded to shell out that kind of dinero saw it as a bad investment.




but seriously. the old chicago spire project is dead.

dead.

DEAD.

DEAD.

DEAD.

DEAD.

DEAD.

DEAD.

DEAD.



it's not coming back. and this thread is not about the old chicago spire project anyway.

it's about what comes next. (and it won't be the spire because it's still very dead, in case you haven't heard)

if you want to continue discussing the very, very dead chicago spire project, you can do so here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=153494
__________________
He has to go.

Last edited by Steely Dan; Oct 23, 2015 at 6:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #38  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 7:02 PM
Yesh222 Yesh222 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 70
I get that it's dead. I was just curious why something very similar to that project wouldn't be done on this site.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #39  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 7:16 PM
Steely Dan's Avatar
Steely Dan Steely Dan is online now
Professional Midwesterner
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Edgewater, Chicago
Posts: 17,589
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesh222 View Post
I was just curious why something very similar to that project wouldn't be done on this site.
because it was too expensive.

Related will build something with a more tenable budget.

now, enough of the spire talk.
__________________
He has to go.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #40  
Old Posted Oct 23, 2015, 7:51 PM
ardecila's Avatar
ardecila ardecila is offline
atomic
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: the city o'wind
Posts: 12,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by ithakas View Post
Very interesting news. A few years ago I would have salivated at the prospect of Chicago getting a BIG building, but now I'm cautiously optimistic about him handling this site – his work seems to be best suited for mid-rise/institutional uses, at least after the disappointing WTC2 design.
Exactly. BIG evolved out of Rem Koolhaas/OMA - the really revolutionary aspect of their design practice is the way they add logical pieces to the program of the building so they become little microcosms of the city. This is a really great way to design civic and institutional projects - the buildings aren't intended to make money, and the fundraising often happens after the architect gets involved so there are opportunities to increase the budget accordingly. After the building opens, you wonder how your city functioned without it.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work so well for the private sector. Related no doubt has an exact dollar figure on this project, and they will push BIG so that they come in at that amount and not a cent higher. That reduces BIG to the role of "form-maker", which they're not so great at.

If I were King of Chicago, I would much rather have BIG design something for the Thompson Center site. They would knock it out of the park there.
__________________
la forme d'une ville change plus vite, hélas! que le coeur d'un mortel...
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > Highrise & Supertall Proposals
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 4:06 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.