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Old Posted Jan 1, 2015, 1:56 AM
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That's interesting. I like the use of color in the cut-outs.
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Wow, it's even better than before! The overall building looks like it was designed and shaped in a wind tunnel. There are even wind deflectors at the base.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 4:33 PM
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I guess some people don't like the design of the tower:

http://www.citylab.com/design/2015/0...-tower/384168/

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Any tower design for San Francisco is bound to touch a sore spot, even a mid-rise. One Van Ness features glass and masonry cladding as well as signature wedge-shaped cutouts: stylistic technical features designed to reduce wind downdrafts, says the San Francisco Chronicle's John King.

Critics have seized on that wedge.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2015, 5:38 PM
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I guess some people don't like the design of the tower:

http://www.citylab.com/design/2015/0...-tower/384168/



This cartoon is more comedic than insulting. I love the redesign, it has character, and it will be a landmark for the city. I really hope it can get all approvals by the end of 2015.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2015, 1:14 AM
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I guess some people don't like the design of the tower:

http://www.citylab.com/design/2015/0...-tower/384168/



It's just the same people who complain about literally all new construction that's over three or four stories and doesn't include an appropriately quaint coffee shop/artist commune.

"Why yes, a crappy donut shop and an empty lot/homeless camp-out spot at a transit-rich downtown intersection, are a much better use of land than hundreds of much needed housing units! Won't you think of the children chain link fence!"

And a face? It's like the people who see giant dicks in every skyscraper.

Though I do see the value of having a business on the corner there, even a grungy donut shop, because it brings a bit of life. And sometimes you need cheap donuts and coffee. But a bunch of apartments there are a much better use, and it's not like there aren't other cheap donut shops nearby. Anyways, I like the redesign! Wanna see some more angles though.

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Old Posted Jan 4, 2015, 2:11 AM
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I've availed myself of that donut shop over the decades more than I'd like to admit--it's at a major transfer point, and it's always open and, well, donuts. But that lot really is ridiculously under-developed.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2015, 3:36 AM
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If it were up to me, I'd put a new donut shop in the new building almost right where the old one was. I am not a big fan of donuts, but if it is something special to others about a particular location, I would prefer to keep it in some way.

The 'Talking Tower' image conveys how stupid the new design seems to some people. Although I like the design, it is unique to San Franciscan's in 2015. I can see how others may not like it. The Transamerica Pyramid was also made much fun of in it's early days as well. Often people who don't like skyscrapers, tend to not want them to stand out so much. Light toned, or white towers with punched windows in more conventional architecture that disappear into the existing surroundings are thus preferred. This might be opposite of what skyscraper fans like.
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Don't see how the cartoon is insulting the tower design. Seems like it is more insulting to the donut shop. Anyway IMHO this is a winning redesign!
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Source of images and related story: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...-and-cuts.html

This looks like a great spot for a party some day.


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...And another story and image regarding the plaza: http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...-van-ness.html

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Lots of whiners commenting on that article. People love to complain about any and every public plaza attracting homeless. Sheesh. This is San Francisco. This is Market Street. There will be homeless. So what? If ever there as prime place for a public plaza, this is it. I for one, think this will be a great addition to the streetscape there. Please build it already please.
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in 10 years that intersection will be so active that homeless won't even feel welcome.

most of these will be built out, don't forget
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I overlook this corner...there is usually one beggar in front of Walgreens, maybe some shifty types near the bus stop/muni station and behind the all star cafe, but its not bad at all. I would say its well over 90% average people.
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This building is everything. I love what San Francisco is doing right now.
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Looking at the diagram a very long weekend posted, it would be ideal if this was just another 50-75' taller so everything at this corner wouldn't be 400'.
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Looking at the diagram a very long weekend posted, it would be ideal if this was just another 50-75' taller so everything at this corner wouldn't be 400'.
Blame the NIMBYs. Like 80% of new buildings in this city are too short because of NIMBY action, or they're too short because of fears of NIMBY action if they were taller.
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Great looking tower. Different than all the glass towers going up around Rincon.
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A sincerely unique design for San Francisco. I really hope we get to see this one get built per the latest proposal. That corner and general area can really clean up with this and the other developments. It's such an important portal to part of the city as a lot of people coming off the freeway enter through this area as they head north. It'll be such a different experience in a few years if all of these developments get built.
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It's value engineering time. SocketSite with the latest renders:





The varied facade is gone for a more standardized look. And it looks like they have simplified the ground floor quite a bit as well.
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Old Posted Nov 3, 2015, 9:14 PM
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oh damn! that's a big drop in quality!
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