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Ridership for Interior West transit agencies, including the smaller ones

Interior West transit ridership
Colorado agencies are black
Utah agencies are dark red
Idaho agencies are sandy brown
Wyoming agencies are pink
Montana agencies are turquoise
Non-Mountain-West states NM and AZ agencies are grey

Weekday transit ridership by city
CITY/AGENCY..................BUS.............RAIL

Denver RTD.....................233,000.........96,000
Phoenix PTD+VM..............154,000.........49,000
SLC UTA...........................68,000.........74,000
Tucson MTS+Sun Link........57,000..........4,000*
Albuquerque T&PD+DOT......38,500..........2,800
Boulder (subset of RTD)......33,000*
Ft Collins TransFort............10,900*~
Co Spgs MMT.....................10,600
Aspen RFTA........................9,300
Logan CVTD........................6,700*~
Boise VRT...........................4,650*~
Missoula MUTD......................5,000
Pueblo Transit.....................3,300*~
Jackson START.....................3,200*~
Santa Fe Trails....................3,000*~
Park City............................2,500
Grnd Junction MCRTO............2,400
Billings MET..........................2,100*~
Greeley GET........................2,000*~
Ketchum MRTA.....................1,730*~
St George Suntran...............1,550*~
Cheyenne...........................1,000*~
Bozeman..............................1,000*~
Loveland COLT.......................450*~
FLEX...................................564*~
Casper..............................520*~
Bustang...............................145*

Ridership on individual bus lines that may be of interest:
RTD MallRide............50,000* <---- Fun note: The MallRide carries almost 5x as many pax/day as any non-RTD *system* in the state.
RTD 15/15L..............26,000*
FlatIron Flyer ..........14,400*
Boulder SKIP.............5,300*
Fort Collins MAX BRT...3,850*
VelociRFTA BRT..........2,100*~
Any others we should add?

Source data and methodology notes:
  • Base data is from APTA and is from the 2nd quarter of 2016.
  • Since not every city reports to APTA, alternate sources are noted with a clickable * where necessary.
  • If only yearly ridership data is available, I divided it by 300 to approximate a weekday average. These numbers are indicated via a ~ where they appear.
  • Numbers are rounded, although the scale of rounding varies according to scale of ridership. The precision doesn't matter; these are ballpark figures.

Have some pictures just for fun:


City of Fort Collins on flickr


Evan McCausland on flickr


Evan McCausland on flickr


judylcrook on flickr
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For the record, I left out a lot of tiny ones. For example, La Junta has a bus system, of sorts. It appears to be single one-way loop route around town, coming once every 45 minutes. I suspect it only runs 1 bus at a time, ever (there's probably a second in reserve). It's a demand-response hybrid that will leave its designated route if you call ahead and request it. It doesn't run on weekends. On Fridays it goes to WalMart. Ridership is about 100 per day. It appears to be mainly for seniors. I can't find a picture of the bus.

Here is a picture of the bus in Lamar. This is strictly demand response, so there are not routes or schedules. But they've got this photo.


Prowers Area Transit

I also discovered an intercity line called the Beeline Express that runs between Pueblo and Wichita, with stops at the larger towns along Route 50.
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What the hey, let's add in Utah.

CITY/AGENCY..................BUS.............RAIL
SLC UTA.....................68,000.........74,000
Logan CVTD..................6,700*~
Park City......................2,500
St George Suntran.........1,550*~

While we're at it, Idaho
Boise VRT..................4,650*~
Ketchum MRTA............1,730*~

And Wyoming:
Jackson START.......3,200*~
Cheyenne.........1,000*~
Casper..........520*~



I'll add NM later.
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I want to take the Beeline Express some day. Nothing like the best of Kansas. Plus, my Born To Be Wild days are a distant memory.
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Montana
Missoula MUTD................5,000
Billings MET....................2,100*~
Bozeman........................1,000*~


Southwest states
AZ and NM aren't Mountain West states, but just for fun, here are the notable ones for those states:

CITY...........................BUS..............RAIL
Phoenix PTD+VM...........154,000.........49,000
Tucson MTS+Sun Link.....57,000..........4,000*
Albuquerque T&PD+DOT...38,500..........2,800
Santa Fe Trails.................3,000*~ (Rail Runner counted as part of ABQ)


All the states are now reflected in the main list in the first post.
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Boise really needs to get its shit together.
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Boise really needs to get its shit together.
Ridiculous routing with limited service give few incentives to ride. No Sunday service and most service ends on weekdays at 7pm. But don't worry they just built an expensive underground transit mall and now want to build an expensive Downtown trolley.

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Boise compared to peers

I'm curious about how poorly Boise performs relative to its peers.

Boise is the 109th largest urban area in the United States, with about 350,000 people. Let's just look at others with a comparable population (excluding resorts or any that are arguably suburbs of larger places) and see what sort of ridership they get.

Code:
CITY		RIDERS/DAY

Boise			4,650

Modesto CA		12,100*~
Flint MI			16,500
Jackson MS	 	2,000*~
Pensacola FL	 5,100*~
Mobile AL	 	4,000*~
Crps Chrisi TX	20,000
So not the worst, but definitely in that lower tier.

But none of those are northwestern cities. Lets expand the population search a little to see the comparables that are closer geographically.

Code:
CITY		RIDERS/DAY	UA POPULATION
Reno NV		20,400		392,000
Spokane WA	35,500		388,000

Eugene OR		35,100		247,000
Salem OR		12,100		237,000
Put all this together and it's hard to make a case that Boise isn't underperforming. But let's normalize by population. That'll be interesting regardless of this Boise question.


Ridership per capita for major western cities & Boise comparables:

Lets do some per capita calculations. I'm going to switch to metro areas for this (rather than urbanized areas), because the huge service areas for Denver, Phoenix, and SLC require using the CSA subset of metro areas to reflect their full coverage areas. It's as close to an apples-to-apples way to do it as possible.

Code:
CITY		RIDERS/DAY	POPULATION	RIDES PER PERSON PER DAY
Boulder		 33,000		  319,372		.103		(included in RTD; this is a subset)
Eugene		 35,100		  362,895		.097		
Denver		329,000		3,418,876		.096		
Spokane	 35,500		  547,924		.065		
Tucson		 61,000		1,010,025		.060		
SLC		142,000		2,467,709		.058		
Phoenix		203,000		3,629,114		.056		
Logan		  6,700		  133,857		.050		
Albuquerque 41,000		  907,301		.045		
Reno		 20,400		  450,890		.045		
Crps Christi	 20,000		  452,422		.044		
Flint		 16,500		  410,849		.040		
Ft Collins	 11,400		  333,577		.034		(includes Loveland)
Salem		 12,100		  410,091		.030		
Modesto	 12,100		  538,388		.022		
Pueblo		  3,300		  163,591		.020		
Grnd Junction  2,400	  	148,513			.016		
Colo Spgns	 10,600		  697,856		.015		
Pensacola	  5,100		  478,043		.011		
Mobile		  4,000		  415,395		.010		
Boise		  4,650		  676,909		.007		
Jackson		  2,000		  578,777		.003
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Very cool! Awesome that you put this together.

Numbers are out for Transfort's 2016 ridership in Fort Collins- about a 25% jump to 4,083,000. Using your methodology that's about 13,460 daily weekday.

The link I posted only has updated Q4 numbers so far- the written analysis on the webpage still is about Q3. If we take the info from Q3 stating there was a 67% increase in MAX ridership from 2015 and combine it with the 3,850 daily number you provided there is a possibility of 2016 MAX daily numbers being as high as 6,430.

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Very cool! Awesome that you put this together.

Numbers are out for Transfort's 2016 ridership in Fort Collins- about a 25% jump to 4,083,000. Using your methodology that's about 13,460 daily weekday.

The link I posted only has updated Q4 numbers so far- the written analysis on the webpage still is about Q3. If we take the info from Q3 stating there was a 67% increase in MAX ridership from 2015 and combine it with the 3,850 daily number you provided there is a possibility of 2016 MAX daily numbers being as high as 6,430.
That's very impressive. Fort Collins is one of a few places that "I wish I had moved to" although the more moderate climate of Prescott appeals. Boise would be third thanks to Sawtooth's photography.
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Yeah, FC's rise looks great.
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