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I usually do Gaspé easily in a single day. Speaking of which, did I mention the hellish drive back we had last time? Between Xmas and New Year's. Took some 20 hours! We started on the north coast as usual, but the road was closed west of Ste-Anne-des-Monts, so we crossed through the Park, went through NB, and after leaving Gaspé at ~7 am we arrived home at ~3 am the next day. Without stopping for more than gas and food.
I was wanting to ask you about the Gaspe? Is it true that the principle owner of Bombardier is building a cement factory that has 2 million tons of co2 per year but got exempted from environmental review?

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Oh don't worry, that was thought of before current environmental rules were in place so in Quebec they don't have to abide by current laws.
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Oh don't worry, that was thought of before current environmental rules were in place so in Quebec they don't have to abide by current laws.
So as I understand it we have two different standards in Canada one for Quebec then one for the rest of the country is this true?
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So as I understand it we have two different standards in Canada one for Quebec then one for the rest of the country is this true?
The sooner you understand that the happier you will be!

Seriously though, why so much focus on Quebec when it's not really involved in Kinder Morgan?
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 3:14 AM
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 3:15 AM
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The sooner you understand that the happier you will be!

Seriously though, why so much focus on Quebec when it's not really involved in Kinder Morgan?
No focus at all on Quebec just a simple question I will repeat it for you Acajack.

So as I understand it we have two different standards in Canada one for Quebec then one for the rest of the country is this true?
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Seriously though, why so much focus on Quebec when it's not really involved in Kinder Morgan?


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Again Vid we already understand your ideology we just wish to find out the truth!
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 AM
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Again Vid we already understand your ideology we just wish to find out the truth!
You want the truth?

Notley and Horgan have coordinated this whole thing to get the private sector to drop out of the project so they can nationalize it. Stall the project until it gets abandoned, and then BAM! — Socialism.

They're both NDP. They're both socialists. State ownership of capital is their goal!!!
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You want the truth?

Notley and Horgan have coordinated this whole thing to get the private sector to drop out of the project so they can nationalize it. Stall the project until it gets abandoned, and then BAM! — Socialism.

They're both NDP. They're both socialists. State ownership of capital is their goal!!!
Ok I give in I enjoy your debates Vid I hope you read that book
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Ok I give in I enjoy your debates Vid I hope you read that book
Oh thank god, it's finally bed time and my playlist of depressing indie rock songs from my youth is about to end.
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the cement factory , construction completed in summer 2017.
The cement factory’s jetty/loading facility sound have had an assessment as apparently doing work to add a single jetty on a river with thousands of them will kill all the wildlife.
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No one knows what commodity prices will look like in 2038. Period. That fact's not even up for discussion.
I think there is room for some discussion here in the practical world. Kinder-Morgan doesn’t care what the future oil price will be, they don’t own the oil. They have long term shipping agreements with the producers. The oil producers can if the want buy futures today to guarantee the price of oil, you know hedging? Or they can make a long term purchasing agreement with a buyer. So you can know your future pricing now if you want a guarantee on your income.
And hence you can estimate the future value to Canada of the pipeline.

Futures markets crude oil prices 10 years out.

https://www.barchart.com/futures/quo...futures?page=5
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 6:01 PM
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I think there is room for some discussion here in the practical world.
Sure, as long as we're all on the same page in terms of acknowledging it's all guesswork.

You'll note that my point here is that sunsetmountainland basically went and called 2038 revenue projections "facts", a laughable misuse of the word by any definition.


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Exactly. Estimate. Rough estimations, not facts.

Pro tip, facts is usually a term you should want to reserve for the past and present. (BTW, FYI, in terms of etymology, I'm nearly certain the English word "facts" was directly derived from the French word for "facts", which is none other than "done" (verb to do, past tense, plural), i.e. facts == "what was done".)
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 6:09 PM
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I was wanting to ask you about the Gaspe? Is it true that the principle owner of Bombardier is building a cement factory that has 2 million tons of co2 per year but got exempted from environmental review?

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Oh don't worry, that was thought of before current environmental rules were in place so in Quebec they don't have to abide by current laws.
As I keep saying, personally I'm not against giving somewhat of a polluting pass to the one-time process of creating permanent construction materials such as steel (from BC's metallurgical coal) and concrete.

The correct way to "calculate pollution" is to spread it over the anticipated lifetime of whatever it is you're creating. ("Life-cycle analysis.") Only using the initial impact is misleading.
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Sure, as long as we're all on the same page in terms of acknowledging it's all guesswork.

You'll note that my point here is that sunsetmountainland basically went and called 2038 revenue projections "facts", a laughable misuse of the word by any definition.




Exactly. Estimate. Rough estimations, not facts.

Pro tip, facts is usually a term you should want to reserve for the past and present. (BTW, FYI, in terms of etymology, I'm nearly certain the English word "facts" was directly derived from the French word for "facts", which is none other than "done" (verb to do, past tense, plural), i.e. facts == "what was done".)
Futures markets are a fact Lio, you can sell oil today for years in advance at a fixed price, so it's unfair to call these economic analysis guesswork, the estimates are based upon current and futures pricing of oil. Now predicting climate change catastrophes due CO2 emissions, that's guesswork.

PS How does one transport all that steel and concrete without oil products? Does transportation fuel get a pass too?
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A little good news, finally.

The Bull Arm Fabrication Site, where our huge offshore oil platforms are built, is an exceptionally good, sheltered, deep-water construction site. It attracted some interest when Hebron was completed and Nalcor, our crown oil and gas company, advertised it for proposals.


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One of those proposals got stronger and much more interesting today:

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A local company has acquired a major fabrication company in the UK, and is negotiating with Nalcor to lease the Bull Arm fabrication site.

DF Barnes has purchased Burntisland Fabrications, a leader in the UK oil and gas industry and renewables sectors.

It is the biggest fabrication company in Scotland with fabrication facilities in Methil, Burnt Island and Arnish.

The COO of DF Barnes, Jason Fudge, says he is delighted with the acquisition.

DF Barnes is also negotiating with Nalcor on Bull Arm, and the company says the latest acquisition will provide added strength to what it can bring to the Bull Arm site and surrounding communities.
http://vocm.com/news/df-barnes-acqui...bull-arm-site/

The site is only an hour and a half from St. John's and workers on Hebron commuted there daily from all over the Avalon and Eastern Newfoundland. So this might happen again, we'll see.

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Old Posted Apr 17, 2018, 9:14 PM
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PS How does one transport all that steel and concrete without oil products?
Sailing ships, obviously.
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