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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 9:10 PM
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^I think it is staying. If you look at previous renderings it's still there. Does anyone what the plans are for this building? Quite surprised it isn't being torn down anytime soon since most would probably consider it an unattractive building when compared to it's future neighbors.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 9:16 PM
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The black building is the Javits Convention Center. As of RIGHT now it will NOT be torn down. It is under going renovation. But think of it this way. ONCE the Yards are fully complete it will either be torn down a bit before that or definitely after that. The new convention center is supposed to be in Queens, along with a casino.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 9:18 PM
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Is the black building next to the rails going to be torn down, or is that not in the way of it?
My bad. I thought you were talking about the Javits Center. The same story goes for the other UGLY black building (450 W 33rd St). It has a ton of air rights and will be gone in the next 20 years.
     
     
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Am I the only one who finds this project very California-y? The architecture, the way the buildings are positioned, the park between them, there's something very west coast about them, not sure what it is, but they seem different than other modern buildings in NY. Even high line park, which looks very eco/tech/SF-like, or at least that's what my first impression was, I feel like this area of Manhattan is shaping up to be like a little exclave of urban California, which I think is pretty cool.
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Is the black building next to the rails going to be torn down, or is that not in the way of it?
If you mean the one that's black in the middle and tan on the sides, then yes (eventually). Brookfield owns it, and it has over 2.5m sf of air rights.
     
     
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Am I the only one who finds this project very California-y? The architecture, the way the buildings are positioned, the park between them, there's something very west coast about them, not sure what it is, but they seem different than other modern buildings in NY. Even high line park, which looks very eco/tech/SF-like, or at least that's what my first impression was, I feel like this area of Manhattan is shaping up to be like a little exclave of urban California, which I think is pretty cool.
There's nothing quite like this development in California, or even the world. It is absolutely groundbreaking.
     
     
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My bad. I thought you were talking about the Javits Center. The same story goes for the other UGLY black building (450 W 33rd St). It has a ton of air rights and will be gone in the next 20 years.
Yea thats the one i was talking about. It just looks wicked ugly and in the way of this site. At least it will be blocked or sort of blocked by the new buildings.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 5:06 AM
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^ It'll be more than blocked, (by all corners), it'll be gone in 15-20 yrs.
     
     
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Nice can't wait for this one to start!!!

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Yesterday Realted had a new brochoure up on their website with new plans and renderings, sections, and plans but I just checked this morning and it was taken down and replaced by the old one.
     
     
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Am I the only one who finds this project very California-y? The architecture, the way the buildings are positioned, the park between them, there's something very west coast about them, not sure what it is, but they seem different than other modern buildings in NY. Even high line park, which looks very eco/tech/SF-like, or at least that's what my first impression was, I feel like this area of Manhattan is shaping up to be like a little exclave of urban California, which I think is pretty cool.
No. And there is no such thing as urban Californian. San Francisco and LA have completely different urban fabric. LA has more of the urban fabric of Houston and SF more like Boston. In any case, there is nothing in LA or SF (or San Diego or Sacramento) that I can think of that look anything like this.

And there is nothing SF'esque about the High Line. It started in Paris. If anything, it looks like something that would have developed in Portland.
     
     
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It's fitting that the first two towers of this development will be supertalls, a way to put the west side on the map! Even if you don't know where it is, it'll be a focal point of the skyline.
But of course, the subway opening won't hurt...






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The Last Master Builder
Stephen Ross is putting his billions, and his legacy, on the line to fix Manhattan's West Side-
and prove that private developers can still profitably transform the urban landscape.










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Staring across Manhattan’s last untamed strip, the rows of sleek silver commuter trains sliding along the island’s only active rail yard, the Related Companies’ Stephen Ross points to the future. There, flanking the wildly successful High Line elevated park, is where the 56-story South Tower will go. And over there, on the other side of 33rd Street, where massive cranes bisect the sky, will be the new subway entrance.....If he can pull this off, Hudson Yards will become the most significant private development project in Manhattan since John D. Rockefeller Jr. spent $250 million (more than $3 billion in today’s terms) to create the 22-acre Rockefeller Center in the 1930s, expanding and recentering America’s largest and densest city.

In the 1980s the Metropolitan Transit Authority carved out train yards but also had the foresight to construct them in a way that would one day allow for platforms and buildings over the open-air tracks.....Before all the buildings can join Manhattan’s skyline, Tishman Construction, the master builder for the project, will stretch 17 acres’ worth of roughly 6-foot-thick steel-and-concrete platforms over the train yards--without disrupting service for more than 300,000 New Jersey and Long Island commuters a day. It will cost an estimated $800 million just to cover the eastern section of the project area.

Compounding that challenge: 1 World Trade Center, the 105-floor megatower rising at Ground Zero 3 miles to the south, which will open next year. Sixty percent leased, 1 WTC still has more than 1 million square feet empty, about the same amount that remains unfilled in the first of Related’s two high-rise towers. Ross is countering with an unheard-of deal for New York’s commercial tenants: the option to either lease or buy their space--at cost. In other words, Related and Oxford will not turn a profit on the office space but rather will use their tenants as de facto lenders, selling their commitments to cover the upfront costs of platform and building construction. Coach, the ­luxury-handbag maker, has been the first to commit, buying 15 stories of the 56-story southern tower. “We will make our money in residential and retail,” says Ross. “We don’t need to make our money in office space.”

The glass-covered, LEED-certified, high-tech new buildings planned for the Yards represent a minute supply of streamlined, more cost-efficient office space. New York City has exponentially more office space than any other city in the U.S. Yet in Manhattan, where most of that Class A office building stock lies, more than 65% of it is 50 years or older. And only a fraction of that remaining 35% has been built within the past 10 years since light-filled glass walls, energy-cutting technology and wide-open work spaces gained popularity.

Ross says that his team is negotiating with tenants who could assume up to 22 million square feet in aggregate, though that will take some master salesmanship. Hearing that the window of opportunity to snag a prospective tenant is closing, I watch as Ross tells Cross to visit the company’s president immediately--despite the fact that a meeting has not been formally arranged and that it is Cross’ birthday.

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I was just about to post that! This is superb!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 10:11 PM
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Finally a newscaster that knows what a render is. She's not smart smart, but a breath of fresh air, from the interviewers that we're accustomed to.
     
     
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So if they aren't planning on making a big profit from the office towers, does that mean that they're gonna lower the prices to make them more competitive, cause if they did that this place seems like the #1 spot for companies.

^I agree Thebigapple, she seems like she actually did some research before the interview, where all the others go in asking all the questions everyone already knows.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2012, 10:33 PM
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^ This (the Coach and taller building) will offer a better sq footage pricing than the Manhattan West development two blocks east.
     
     
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So if they aren't planning on making a big profit from the office towers, does that mean that they're gonna lower the prices to make them more competitive, cause if they did that this place seems like the #1 spot for companies...
They're offering the commercial space at the price it costs them to build. Because of that, this will probably fill up before Manhattan West unless a tenant Brookfield currently has in a different building wants to stick with them but wants a new space, certainly 15 Penn, and probably the WTC buildings unless someone wants a new building but at an established address and is willing to pay a little bit more per square foot.

The only thing that this has going against it is that it's not an address yet, and the neighborhood has a long way to go. But, those companies who are willing to deal with this neighborhood being a construction site/work in progress for a number of years will get great deals.
     
     
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