LOS ANGELES | METRO Project Rundown 2.0 (non-downtown)

[losangelesnative]

A stadium in the SFV might be an interesting idea, especially if he wants to develop the surrounding area. Maybe if the Rocketdyne development doesn't come to fruition the stadium could go there along with some housing and entertainment since its Orange Line adjacent.

[blackcat23]

Originally Posted by Wally West

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Where would Balmer find any space for a stadium in the Westside? And even if he does, good fucking luck against the NIMBYs.

The only site I can think of on the Westside large enough to accommodate an arena + entertainment complex would be Santa Monica Airport. File that one under the "when hell freezes over," category.

The Daily News also says they're considering spots near the new Rams Stadium in Inglewood, and other areas of Downtown.

Inglewood seems like a maybe, although there doesn't seem to be many options besides the Hollywood Park site.

Downtown has a lot of large properties under single ownership near Union Station, as well as LA Center Studios, which has previously been considered for an arena.

I understand the allure of building a new arena/LA Live-type complex just for the Clippers, but am not sure that they'd be able to fill it with non NBA events. There are already a lot of established large venues in LA, with more on the way (Rams, LAFC stadium). How's he going to compete with AEG and MSG to book concerts?

[King Kill 'em]

They should just stay at the Staples Center

[ChelseaFC]

GFL finding land and getting approval to build on the west side proper. Plenty of land in El Segundo, however if he wants to be somewhat close to the Playa Vista tech corridor.

Although I'd personally be in favor of a Long Beach Arena redevelopment.

[King Kill 'em]

What about building it next to Dodger Stadium and turning the surrounding parking lot into a mixed use neighborhood.

[caligrad]

The Clipper Arena conversation is rather interesting. When Steve Ballmer bought the team, he bought the team with the stipulation that the team stayed in the LA, one of the laundry list of things that Mrs. Sterlings demanded when she sold the team, but its not surprising that he wants to move the team. He once tried to buy the Sacramento Kings just to move the team to Seattle under the "super sonic" name.

That being said. If he keeps his promise and keeps the team here, he wont make a single dime in the LA area with his own arena during the off season for the simple fact , as blackcat stated, there are already enough venues in the LA area to handle all of the award shows and concerts.

If he must remain in the LA area ( Orange County doesn't count), his only viable options would be

1. The Valley (ugh)
or
2.Long Beach (might work, there's an arena there already but meh)

But I'm guessing he's waiting for the sterlings to leave this earth so he can move the team to Seattle (most likely), back to San Diego (could happen) or Vegas (they just built a brand new arena). The clippers have always been in the Lakers shadow, even when they are doing good. I never understood why owners, in general, feel its a smart move to over saturate a market with multiple teams of the same sport. One always gets overshadowed by the other.

Truth be told, I hope the Clippers do move, just to get their own market.

(Before anybody "tries" to rip me a new one (you should know better by now), everything I'm saying is just my own personal sports opinion, nothing to be taken seriously)

[King Kill 'em]

^But what about the last few seasons when they've been doing better than the Lakers? What if that continues? It would be silly of them to leave if it did.

[caligrad]

^^^You're right. But that's even a better reason to leave now while their on a high note. They have been doing very well these past few seasons but even still, the media and people in general are focused on the Lakers. Now that Kobe is gone, that might change for a while. But literally this is how the evening news viewed the Lakers and Clippers

" Well the Clippers made the playoofs.....IN OTHER NEWs, the Lakers are rebuilding the team, Kobe injured his wisdom tooth, we are so optimistic for the Lakers next season, blah blah blah blah"

The Clippers never get the attention they deserve, and they never will with all of the banners hanging in the staples center belonging to the Lakers, Sparks and Kings.

I'm almost willing to bet that the Clippers will break the lease and move to Seattle, San Diego or Vegas (which seems to be every ones go to city lately)

(Before anybody "tries" to rip me a new one (you should know better by now), everything I'm saying is just my own personal sports opinion, nothing to be taken seriously)

[King Kill 'em]

It would piss me off if Las Vegas ever got a sports team. Like Vegas isn't even a real city. It's just a bunch of casinos surrounded by what is probably the most disgusting sprawl in the country. The effect of everyone driving to the arena to see the game would be terrible for the environment. They don't deserve a sports team.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by caligrad

The Clipper Arena conversation is rather interesting. When Steve Ballmer bought the team, he bought the team with the stipulation that the team stayed in the LA, one of the laundry list of things that Mrs. Sterlings demanded when she sold the team, but its not surprising that he wants to move the team. He once tried to buy the Sacramento Kings just to move the team to Seattle under the "super sonic" name.

That being said. If he keeps his promise and keeps the team here, he wont make a single dime in the LA area with his own arena during the off season for the simple fact , as blackcat stated, there are already enough venues in the LA area to handle all of the award shows and concerts.

If he must remain in the LA area ( Orange County doesn't count), his only viable options would be

1. The Valley (ugh)
or
2.Long Beach (might work, there's an arena there already but meh)

But I'm guessing he's waiting for the sterlings to leave this earth so he can move the team to Seattle (most likely), back to San Diego (could happen) or Vegas (they just built a brand new arena). The clippers have always been in the Lakers shadow, even when they are doing good. I never understood why owners, in general, feel its a smart move to over saturate a market with multiple teams of the same sport. One always gets overshadowed by the other.

Truth be told, I hope the Clippers do move, just to get their own market.

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

[BrandonJXN]

Originally Posted by King Kill 'em

It would piss me off if Las Vegas ever got a sports team. Like Vegas isn't even a real city. It's just a bunch of casinos surrounded by what is probably the most disgusting sprawl in the country. The effect of everyone driving to the arena to see the game would be terrible for the environment. They don't deserve a sports team.

What a silly statement. The NHL is going to expand to Vegas for the 2017-2018 season. Vegas has over 2 million people in the metro area. Vegas is more than capable of handling a sports team (UNLV anyone?). Especially considering that they just built the brand new T-Mobile Arena.


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[scania]

Originally Posted by King Kill 'em

It would piss me off if Las Vegas ever got a sports team. Like Vegas isn't even a real city. It's just a bunch of casinos surrounded by what is probably the most disgusting sprawl in the country. The effect of everyone driving to the arena to see the game would be terrible for the environment. They don't deserve a sports team.

You really can't be serious with anything you've said. Vegas can easily support a team, just as Orange County has done. And as far as sprawl...you live in LA. Hahahahahaha

[bzcat]

Balmer is probably just looking for leverage in negotiating a lease extension with AEG.

However, if that really falls apart, how about the Carson site? I'm sure Carson will be more than happy to take the Clippers now that Chargers move is basically out of the question.

[The Illusive Man]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

Yes, the Clippers are never moving out of the area. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and have been for years. If they move to any other market, their value would fall big time. They are worth more in LA and supported better than most markets with just 1 team.

LA is a two team in each sport type of market. Just like New York. Eventually there will be a 2nd NFL team as well, it's just a matter of time.

The Clippers getting their own arena would be a great idea and another venue that could help attract the 2024 Olympics. I'm all for it.

[NSMP]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

Yes, the Clippers are never moving out of the area. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and have been for years. If they move to any other market, their value would fall big time. They are worth more in LA and supported better than most markets with just 1 team.

LA is a two team in each sport type of market. Just like New York. Eventually there will be a 2nd NFL team as well, it's just a matter of time.

The Clippers getting their own arena would be a great idea and another venue that could help attract the 2024 Olympics. I'm all for it.

Moving the clips to a brand new arena just to get a two week event is short-sighted. Staples is an exceptional arena that does very well, but the LA region is absolutely glutted with stadiums and concert venues of all shapes, sizes and purposes. I personally don't see the need for any more, especially not on the other side of DTLA.

[caligrad]

^^^ I agree with you on that one. The LA area (including orange county) has more built and ready stadiums/arenas/venues than it already needs, Adding one more probably wont hurt but we really don't need it.

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

As Balmer has stated, as long as he's alive, they will not leave Los Angeles... The simple reason? They are the second fiddle team in LA and are still worth $2 billion +... In San Diego, Vegas or Seattle? Less than half of that. They sell out every game, have good ratings and a good core fan base... As big as the Lakers? Of course not, only 2 or 3 teams world wide are as popular as the lakers.

Bottom line, they are not moving out of LA. I'm with black cat.. Most likely staying at staples, but if moving it's to long Beach or by union station

I forgot about the market share conversation. Yeah in that perspective, I would stay in LA too. But. That being said, if they fall from grace yet again, which they will, Staples Center will empty out quickly during Clipper Games (or wont sell out to begin with as was the case through the 80s- early 2000s).Crazy you mentioned the 2 Billion price tag. With all of this talk about the Clippers moving, ESPN discussed the teams worth. Ballmer may have paid 2 Billion for the team but their actual worth is in the 550-700 million range, on par with most other teams in the league.

I don't take these team owners seriously with their "promises". Kroenke promised St. Louis that he wasn't moving the Rams, even though everything he was doing pointed to the opposite. Clay Bennet assured Seattle that he wasn't moving the Sonics. Less than 2 years later, and blaming Seattle for not building him a free stadium, he moved the team to Oklahoma City. Similar situation with the Houston Oilers (now the Tennessee Titans). And we cant forget our town favorite "Georgia Frontiere" She kept playing hopscotch with the Rams, promising she wouldn't move the team out of the LA area if we paid for her a stadium, when truth be told, she had always planned on moving the team to her home state after her husband died. Ballmer may say he's keeping the team here, but at the end of the day, he's a business man. LA is a large market but being oversaturated isn't going to help anyone.

3 NBA teams, NFL team, NHL team, MLB team, MLS team (we had two teams, poor Chivas folded) and if you include Orange County, that's another MLB team and NHL team, Add San Diego and that's another NFL team and MLB team. Market saturation to the max.

[SoCalKid]

I agree with all three of the last statements. Having another arena adds yet another piece of infrastructure that could help us get the Olympics, more concerts/shows, conventions, sporting events, ect. But we certianly don't [I]need[I] another. That being said, as long as there is no public money being spent on it, I'd be happy to see another arena in eastern Downtown, Union Station are, or at LA Center Studios as someone mentioned. If Balmer wants to spend his personal money to bring more attention to Downtown, great.

However, I would be upset to see a new Clippers arena built anywhere but Downtown or Downtown-adjacent, as that would take visitors, consumer spending, and attention away from Downtown.

To be honest though, I think this is all just a ploy to create leverage in re-negotiating the Clippers lease with the Staples Center.

[caligrad]

^^^ And there's that point as well. In regards to how these team owners are, I equate them to politicians. They all lie, they are all the same and they will do anything to get their way.

[Illithid Dude]

I could see a stadium being built near the North Hollywood red line stop, which has plenty of open space as well as being transit adjacent.

[plutonicpanda]

What is the building East of the 101 on Sunset? It has been under construction forever and nothing has moved on it.