Review of Transportation Master Plan, Cycling Plan, Pedestrian Plan (2013)

[SF Thomas]

Originally Posted by eternallyme

Good: extending the LRT eastward especially, west if the NCC can support it, without going too far (Kanata and Barrhaven would be Stage 3).

Bad: the Prince of Wales Bridge. Should be kept as rail, refurbished and the O-Train extended. What in the world is the City of Ottawa thinking there?

Problem is getting Gatineau and Quebec to coordinate anything regarding cross provincial transit is like pulling teeth.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by eternallyme

I'd have 5 stations on the Orleans extension; adding a 5th halfway between Blair and Montreal Roads, accessible from Jasmine Crescent (a high density residential area) to serve parts of Beacon Hill.

Completely agree. That's a major oversight. There would be 3km gap between Blair & St-Joseph stations and there's plenty people who already take transit that live in that area.

[Schattenjager]

Between the future Leitrim and Bowesville O-Train station, it's starting to make Rideau Carleton Raceway a considerably more attractive location for the Casino.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by phil235

Anyone know what this refers to:

"There will be new measures to speed buses in the east along Blair, connecting La Cité into our rail network as well."

La Cité isn't on, or particularly near, Blair.

I think that's supposed to be 2 different measures awkwardly rolled into one sentence.

For Blair Road I'm assuming it is to speed up service on route 94 between Blair station & Innes Road.

As for La Cité, I have no clue what they're talking about. It is already served by route 129 up to at least Blair Station and I don't see that changing after LRT is in place. Sounds like a cheap "selling point" that got tossed into the speech.

[waterloowarrior]

Here is the network concept... the long term plan only affordable beyond 2031
http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/files/tmp5.pdf


Here are the major bus plans to 2031, excluding signal priority/queue jumping.
Map http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/files/tmp5.pdf

-Airport Parkway widening lanes will be peak period bus/taxi/HOV lanes $36.2 mil (Hunt Club to Airport)
-Baseline BRT - Baseline Station to Heron Station $131 mil
-Blackburn Hamlet by-pass - peak period bus lanes Innes to 10th line - $3.0 mil
-Kanata North BRT March Road to Kanata North $110 mil
-West Transitway extention - Bayshore to Moodie - $76 mil
-Carling - convert existing car lane to bus lane - Lincoln Fields to Carling O-Train $0.2 mil
-Hemlock/Codd's - St. Laurent to Montreal new bus lanes - $20 mil
-Hunt Club Rd - Albion to Uploads -new bus lanes $23.7 mil
-Montreal/Blair- Blair Station to Rideau - extension of bus-only hours and new lanes east of St. Laurent- $41.4 mil

[eternallyme]

I think this is also the end of Place d'Orleans as we know it. By 2025, I think that whole area will be totally redeveloped into a secondary CBD with mixed uses - offices, residential and retail, plus also community functions.

If the landowners were smart, they would close the mall - and most of the surrounding retail on the west side of Place d'Orleans Drive and St. Joseph Boulevard - by 2020 and use the three years during construction to rebuild the area for a 2023 completion.

[JM1]

Can someone tell me what they will do about transit on Montreal Road?

They say it will be transit corridor, but it already has dedicated bus lanes at rush hour. Will they do something more?

And what about the isolated "transit priority measures" and "transit signal priority" for Beechwood and Hemlock? Does this mean anything? I don't understand what it could mean.

[waterloowarrior]

Edit: It's a bit confusing. There is a network concept plan for 2031 and an affordable network concept plan for 2031. I will just call the "network concept plan" the post 2031 plan since the assumption is they wouldn't be funded til a later date.


Here's what's been removed/postponed from the 2008-2031 rapid transit plan for 2031 funding implementation in the new 2014-2031 plan. Quite a few projects have shifted to the 2031 network concept plan with the move to have light rail extensions sooner


East
-Cumberland Transitway - now post 2031, although some transit priority measures along the corridor
-Orleans north Transitway - replaced by LRT to Place D'Orleans; extension to Trim is now post 2031
-Blair-Innes connection - From BRT to priority measures but still BRT post 2031

Central

-Innes/Browning BRT corridor - removed from plan, bus lanes still in place for AVC, some priority measures on Innes
-Russell/Walkley/Heron bus lanes -removed from plan, now planned post 2031
-Carling LRT - now conversion of existing general lane to bus lane. At-grade LRT planned post 2031
-Baseline BRT Lincoln Fields to Bayshore - now transit priority measures with at grade BRT post 2031
-SW Transitway extension - Baseline to Hunt Club - now post 2031
-BRT Lincoln Fields to Bayshore - Now LRT
-BRT Lincoln Fields to Baseline - Now LRT

South
-LRT now stops at Bowesville instead of going to Limebank. At grade extension of LRT to Limebank still planned post 2031
-LRT Airport spur replaced by bus lanes on Airport Parkway, spur now planned for post 2031
-Riverside South/Barrhaven BRT - Bowesville to Barrhaven Town Centre - Now bus lanes on Chapman Mills and transit priority measures on Earl Armstrong/Strandherd extension. At grade BRT planned post 2031
-SW Transitway extension south of Jockvale - Now Post 2031

West
-West Transitway extension - Moodie to Eagleson - now post 2031
-Kanata West Transitway - Eagleson to Fernbank - now Post 2031


A number of transit priority measures have been moved to Post 2031 including the AVC, Hunt Club (W of Albion, East of Uplands), Merivale south of Carling, and others... although more have been added on Innes, Fisher and other roads.

[Aylmer]

I don't understand why the O-Train isn't just extended down to Limebank, especially since that whole area is still empty, but set to be developed with transit in mind. It just seems like a no-brainer to me.

[JM1]

Interesting phantom finger from the now defunct Kettle Island bridge on the Quebec side of this map...

Also, an interesting "transit priority measures" along a strange line that vaguely follows Aviation Parkway that doesn't reappear in other maps. Also a priority along Donald that does not appear elsewhere.

http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/files/tmp4.pdf

[JM1]

Originally Posted by JM1

Interesting phantom finger from the now defunct Kettle Island bridge on the Quebec side of this map...

Also, an interesting "transit priority measures" along a strange line that vaguely follows Aviation Parkway that doesn't reappear in other maps. Also a priority along Donald that does not appear elsewhere.

http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/files/tmp4.pdf

Not to mention the other major difference... there is an Otrain station on the other side of the POW bridge on this map....

Did someone screw up?

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by JM1

Not to mention the other major difference... there is an Otrain station on the other side of the POW bridge on this map....

Did someone screw up?

This map is the network concept plan, not the "Affordable" plan. In other words it's in the long term plan for protection of rights of way and future planning but isn't a funding priority. It's a bit confusing, I made an edit to my post above to clarify.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by JM1

Also, an interesting "transit priority measures" along a strange line that vaguely follows Aviation Parkway that doesn't reappear in other maps. Also a priority along Donald that does not appear elsewhere.

Looks like some "transit priority measures" for route 14 along McArthur and route 5 along Cummings. McArthur is a 4 lane road so maybe that means eventual bus lanes and/or traffic signals that prioritize buses. As for Cummings, it's a two lane residential and has few traffic lights. At the North end I see it extends along Aviation towards the Rockcliffe base area so maybe there's a planned connector route to that upcoming new development.

[JM1]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

This map is the network concept plan, not the "Affordable" plan. In other words it's in the long term plan for protection of rights of way and future planning but isn't a funding priority. It's a bit confusing, I made an edit to my post above to clarify.

Thanks... I was wondering.

Still.... i don't understand the whole "transit priority measures" -- If you don't have dedicated lanes what do you have? Lights that turn green when they sense a bus coming?

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by JM1

Can someone tell me what they will do about transit on Montreal Road?

They say it will be transit corridor, but it already has dedicated bus lanes at rush hour. Will they do something more?

On paper that could mean bus lanes that last all day and/or that are extended further east but in reality I doubt the city will ever remove a car lane (or parking in Vanier) for all day bus lanes. The current bus lanes are only Vanier. East of rue de L'église they disappear. #12's heading eastbound often bottleneck near St-Laurent in the afternoon rush hour with all the right turning traffic in its lane.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by JM1

If you don't have dedicated lanes what do you have? Lights that turn green when they sense a bus coming?

Pretty much one of those two things.

[JM1]

Interesting. I wonder what the effect would be on N-S traffic at Vanier Parkway and St Laurent. Then again, it doesn't really matter as most traffic is E-W anyway through Vanier.

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

Pretty much one of those two things.

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by JM1

Can someone tell me what they will do about transit on Montreal Road?

They say it will be transit corridor, but it already has dedicated bus lanes at rush hour. Will they do something more?

And what about the isolated "transit priority measures" and "transit signal priority" for Beechwood and Hemlock? Does this mean anything? I don't understand what it could mean.

Lots of details in this document. Annex B (p. 80) has pretty detailed breakdowns of each segment.
http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/fil...astructure.pdf

for Montreal they will extend the hours of the bus lanes and add signal priority at many intersections. For Hemlock corridor it's mostly signal priority due to limited right-of-way width, but there will be a road widening between St. Laurent and Codd's (in the former Rockcliffe CFB), then on Codd's southward to Montreal Rd.

Originally Posted by JM1

Thanks... I was wondering.

Still.... i don't understand the whole "transit priority measures" -- If you don't have dedicated lanes what do you have? Lights that turn green when they sense a bus coming?

It could also include queue jumping lanes at intersections

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by JM1

Interesting. I wonder what the effect would be on N-S traffic at Vanier Parkway and St Laurent. Then again, it doesn't really matter as most traffic is E-W anyway through Vanier.

Some Transit Priority on St-Laurent (route 7) wouldn't affect traffic much. Vanier Parkway though can get very busy during rush hour with inter-provincial traffic.

[JM1]

It will be interesting to see the effect of priority signals on Beechwood. Maybe it will be an improvement to transit times.

As for Codd's Road, widening is a bit of a joke since the road connection between Codd's and Hemlock (or between Burma and Hemlock) has yet to be established. But I guess it means they will have four lane roads with permanent bus lanes. I think this will be bad for the efforts to get street level retail going in the new neighbourhood (unless the street level retail is on a different road from the buses -- which makes less sense still).

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Lots of details in this document. Annex B (p. 80) has pretty detailed breakdowns of each segment.
http://ottawa.ca/sites/ottawa.ca/fil...astructure.pdf

for Montreal they will extend the hours of the bus lanes and add signal priority at many intersections. For Hemlock corridor it's mostly signal priority due to limited right-of-way width, but there will be a road widening between St. Laurent and Codd's (in the former Rockcliffe CFB), then on Codd's southward to Montreal Rd.



It could also include queue jumping lanes at intersections