Provincial Election

[CityTech]

Found this interesting map of the provincial election results from this year, showing the change in PC vote from 2014 (redistributed to the new ridings). Of 124 ridings, the PC vote increased in 115 of them and dropped in 9. Of those 9.. 6 were in Ottawa, where most of the ridings had a PC vote drop (interestingly, this also happened in the one riding they gained!). Even in the other 2 ridings, the PC vote gain was very small. Ottawa is pretty much the only region in the province where Ford failed to outperform Hudak's 2014 disaster.

[J.OT13]

Pour les résidents du Québec. n'oubliez pas de voter dans l'élection provincial aujourd’hui si ce n'est pas déjà fait.

[J.OT13]

Chicken and Egg. PCs neglect Ottawa because we don't vote for them, but we don't vote PC because they neglect Ottawa.

Liberal Karen McCrimmon is the new MPP for Kanata-Carleton

CBC News · Posted: Jul 27, 2023 10:29 PM EDT

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6918342

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Chicken and Egg. PCs neglect Ottawa because we don't vote for them, but we don't vote PC because they neglect Ottawa.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6918342

Oddly enough, the race was a bit tight between ONPC, ONLib, and ONNDP. In fact, the NDP candidate was even going door to door the day before by-election.
Then again, with only 6664 people voting, I doubt that we can read too much into the numbers.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Chicken and Egg. PCs neglect Ottawa because we don't vote for them, but we don't vote PC because they neglect Ottawa.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6918342

Would a phase 3 LRT commitment have put them over the top? Feels like this election killed that at least during this term (maybe that was always a done deal)

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Oddly enough, the race was a bit tight between ONPC, ONLib, and ONNDP. In fact, the NDP candidate was even going door to door the day before by-election.
Then again, with only 6664 people voting, I doubt that we can read too much into the numbers.

NDP candidate had volunteers going door to door on the day of the election with flyers showing people where they need to vote and when they flip over the other side of the flyer it is a description of the candidate which I thought wasn't permitted on the day of the election. The volunteer said they can't campaign on the day but could just encourage people to vote.

It would be great if roadside signs could be banned. Just visual pollution as far as I'm concerned and don't give a true indication of the support for candidates.

Lawn signs on actual private property are fine with me but the boulevard signs are just clutter.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Would a phase 3 LRT commitment have put them over the top? Feels like this election killed that at least during this term (maybe that was always a done deal)

Could be. Shot themselves in the foot. Not that it matters. They still have a majority.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Chicken and Egg. PCs neglect Ottawa because we don't vote for them, but we don't vote PC because they neglect Ottawa.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.6918342

All three parties that have held power in Ontario while also holding at least one seat in Ottawa have ignored and short-changed Ottawa.

There was almost no worse period for stagnation and throttled ambitions, in terms of provincial-municipal co-operation, than when a local MPP was Premier.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

All three parties that have held power in Ontario while also holding at least one seat in Ottawa have ignored and short-changed Ottawa.

There was almost no worse period for stagnation and throttled ambitions, in terms of provincial-municipal co-operation, than when a local MPP was Premier.

Although it's true that we were short-changed even under McGuinty compared to other municipalities in the GTA, they still oversaw record investment in education and health care. Everyone of our Universities, Colleges and especially our Hospitals had expansions funded. Montfort in particular, that was on the brink of closure under Harris, more than doubled in size.

We also had the Convention Centre and Stage 1 of the O-Train (Stage 2 was under Wynne). Not sure if the BRT expansions were partially funded by the Province.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Although it's true that we were short-changed even under McGuinty compared to other municipalities in the GTA, they still oversaw record investment in education and health care. Everyone of our Universities, Colleges and especially our Hospitals had expansions funded. Montfort in particular, that was on the brink of closure under Harris, more than doubled in size.

We also had the Convention Centre and Stage 1 of the O-Train (Stage 2 was under Wynne). Not sure if the BRT expansions were partially funded by the Province.

Yeah a drunken spending sailor's watch is right twice a day.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Yeah a drunken spending sailor's watch is right twice a day.

McGuinty wasn't bad at all until the 2008 crisis, considering he had to fix Harris' mess. I'd say he overall did better than Slasher Mike for a while. Always got me how even with the Conservative blind cuts, the budget are still not that well balanced.

Wynne took a bit of a turn towards heavy deficits, but I prefer deficits with a functioning health care system over a balanced budget with terrible, and sometimes private, health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Wynne took a bit of a turn towards heavy deficits, but I prefer deficits with a functioning health care system over a balanced budget with terrible, and sometimes private, health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_government_debt

You shouldn't. That's not sustainable. It's an abuse of Keynesianism to deficit finance services, especially when the economy is good. Should not happen. Raise taxes and pay for what is needed or wanted.

Wynne's problem was simply that her social justice agenda was entirely about leveling lower income with the middle class. So free college under a certain income threshold while the middle class takes on student loans. On the flip side, EV rebates to $100k Tesla buyers. Why would the middle class vote for that? And of course, they didn't. Governments that focus on wide public accessibility to services always do best. It's when they stray off chasing niches with tax cuts or grants that the public eventually turns on them.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

You shouldn't. That's not sustainable. It's an abuse of Keynesianism to deficit finance services, especially when the economy is good. Should not happen. Raise taxes and pay for what is needed or wanted.

Wynne's problem was simply that her social justice agenda was entirely about leveling lower income with the middle class. So free college under a certain income threshold while the middle class takes on student loans. On the flip side, EV rebates to $100k Tesla buyers. Why would the middle class vote for that? And of course, they didn't. Governments that focus on wide public accessibility to services always do best. It's when they stray off chasing niches with tax cuts or grants that the public eventually turns on them.

For sure, there's a lot on her agenda that could have been cut. Tuition should not have been free for lower income, but maybe interest free student loans with a generous window for repayment (and really, everyone should have they, because just because parents have an income considered "high" doesn't mean they can pay for tuition), electric car rebates are good, but limit that to maybe $50k (at that time). High speed rail to, what was it, London? No necessary.

That said, the current Premier came in, saw the deficit, and decided to make beer cheaper, brand Ontario license plates Conservative Blue and kill cap-and-trade that brought in a $Billion a year to the province. Later, he made license plate renewals free. He's also been fighting in courts for a whole bunch of dumb things (not having to show up at the "Freedom" convoy inquiry, limiting salary raises for nurses, the Federal carbon tax...). He's been pouring millions into private health care. Hardly a fiscally responsible Government.