New Seabus: Burrard Pacific Breeze

[Rusty Gull]

John Colebourn
The Province

Thursday, June 12, 2008


TransLink said yesterday it has signed an agreement to build its long-planned third SeaBus for Burrard Inlet.

The $25-million vessel will be built at the Washington Marine Group shipyard in Victoria and is to go into service in summer 2009.

TransLink chairman Dale Parker said the addition of a third SeaBus will cut wait times during peak hours by five minutes.

At peak times, the SeaBus will run every 10 minutes compared to the current 15 minutes.

The new SeaBus initially will replace one of the two older vessels during its refit. The two existing boats were built 31 years ago.

Parker said all three 400-passenger vessels will be in service by early 2010, in time for the Winter Olympics.

"This is a key piece of our expansion," said Parker. "This is a big day for us."

Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon said B.C. will chip in $4.8 million of the cost.

"By 2010, all three vessels will be running and once every 10 minutes during peak times, so that's great for folks using the system."

Malcolm Barker of the Washington Marine Group said the vessel will be as fuel-efficient as possible.

"This vessel will be the greenest of vessels," he said.

"The vessel will be built on budget and will be on time."

He said the project will allow the company to keep existing apprentices fully employed.

North Vancouver Mayor Darrell Mussatto said that with the high price of gasoline, the SeaBus addition "couldn't come at a better time."

"People are looking for alternatives to driving," he said.

North Vancouver District Mayor Richard Walton said cutting wait times by five minutes will be a huge bonus for commuters.

"It does get very crowded during the rush hour," he said. "This is really good news."

Student Emilia Pelech, 21, said she uses the SeaBus daily and would welcome better service.

"I like the SeaBus and this is good for commuters," she said.

She would like to see the SeaBus run every 15 minutes during non-peak hours.

"It would be nice if they ran it every 15 minutes on weekends," she said.

jcolebourn@png.canwest.com

© The Vancouver Province 2008

[bugsy]

Would it be possible to extend the Canada Line from its current terminus at Waterfront Station to North Vancouver someday?

[Jared]

Originally Posted by bugsy

Would it be possible to extend the Canada Line from its current terminus at Waterfront Station to North Vancouver someday?

From what I understand, the tunnel is too shallow at Waterfront to be able to dive under the seabed, the trains simply cant handle the type of grade needed to stay underground. Maybe they could try one of those floating tunnels, but I can't see that happening for a long time - they're rather unproven, and obviously very expensive.

[Hed Kandi]

Forget the new $25 Million Sea Bus and the costs of running the other two, Translink and the City of Vancouver should construct a bridge for the skytrain to North and West Van. All three of the municipalities and translink should split the costs of constructing the new line and bridge.

[jlousa]

I'm postive West Van would not chip in at all as they would not want skytrain running anywhere near them. Pretty sure North Van feels the same way.

[Distill3d]

Originally Posted by jlousa

I'm postive West Van would not chip in at all as they would not want skytrain running anywhere near them. Pretty sure North Van feels the same way.

hate to bring up an old bit here, but i live in North Van and would more than welcome a SkyTrain extension to here. but my question is where is it going to go??

[agrant]

^^ True. West Van residents are hyper nimbies. There's no way they'd want skytrain running through. Besides, everyone has access to a Bentley or something of that nature.

Probably not worth the money right now anyway. If you wanted to go with the most direct route, as opposed to running skytrain over to the second narrows, I would think you'd want a George Massey Tunnel type of option. A bridge of that length, I'm guessing, would be a hell of a lot more expensive. Anyway, as long as the seabus can handle the demand there won't be much talk of a skytrain crossing, other than from us.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by Jared

Maybe they could try one of those floating tunnels, but I can't see that happening for a long time - they're rather unproven, and obviously very expensive.

The first thing that came to my mind was the BART transbay tube in SF with a maximum depth of 41 metres under the bay that was opened in 1974. It was considered quite an engineering feet back in the day when they built the steel tubular sections on land and floated 'em out and sunk 'em.



The maximum depth of Burrard Inlet between Canada Place and Lonsdale is only 25 - 50 metres based upon these map profiles:



And yeah, a direct connection to high-density Lonsdale would make logistical sense as opposed to running same over the LGB but that's still a loooooong ways out.

[SpongeG]

they could always link belcarra and deep cove and give better access from the eastern suburbs/fraser valley to north and west van

the seabus does a good job as is

people here are so lazy they don't wanna make transfers

lame

[Rusty Gull]

The problem isn't the transfer. It's the duration of the trip.

The crossing is 12 minutes in length, roughly. But don't forget that during peak hours, the congestion up the runway to Waterfront Station can add another 5 to 10 minutes.

A Skytrain crossing over Burrard Inlet would take... what... 4 or 5 minutes tops?

[SpongeG]

thats not that bad

most people seem to enjoy the relaxation

we aren't toronto after all where its a rat race

[Rusty Gull]

^ Good point. A SkyTrain link-up would be nice, but it would also change the nature of the North Shore forever. Goodbye "small-town" North Van... hello "power suburb" ala Burnaby or Richmond.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Rusty Gull

^ Good point. A SkyTrain link-up would be nice, but it would also change the nature of the North Shore forever. Goodbye "small-town" North Van... hello "power suburb" ala Burnaby or Richmond.

I'm fine with keeping the SeaBus as is... funny thing is that I don't think people notice it's a 10 minute ferry ride since it's such an enjoyable experience.

I had a vision where the Hastings LRT extended over the Lions Gate Bridge (vehicles use tunnel near the bridge) to Ampleside, and then LRT to Lonsdale. But still keeping the SeaBus.

[LeftCoaster]

I agree. As a north shore resident i would love to see rapid tranist to make my life easier it is just not needed badly enough at this point. Perhaps a few dozen years down the road but there are other places in the region that need it so much more than here.

Originally Posted by deasine

I had a vision where the Hastings LRT extended over the Lions Gate Bridge (vehicles use tunnel near the bridge) to Ampleside, and then LRT to Lonsdale. But still keeping the SeaBus.

Yeah I could see that going over well... a rapid transit line linking Hastings directly to West Van!

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by deasine

I'm fine with keeping the SeaBus as is... funny thing is that I don't think people notice it's a 10 minute ferry ride since it's such an enjoyable experience.

Personally I like the seabus, especially on a sunny day, but I ride it about 3 times a year. If you were commuting on it every day, I think you'd be pretty sick of it, especially on rainy/windy winter days.

[SpongeG]

its not like the north shore is going to be able to get any bigger either

i think a simple streetcar up lonsdale and one that runs along the waterfront - as it did back in the day would serve it pretty well

it would cost way too much money to justify the cost of serving a fairly stagnant population

north vancouver is also a place where you choose to live knowing your limited transport options

[twoNeurons]

Run LRT down the centre of Lion's Gate re-institute a toll and make the bridge one-lane in each direction. The Park board's happy (less car traffic through Stanley Park) the North Shore gets excellent transit, and use the toll to buy carbon credits (The environmentalists are happy).

one problem... the British Properties.

[Smooth]

Originally Posted by tintinium

Run LRT down the centre of Lion's Gate re-institute a toll and make the bridge one-lane in each direction. The Park board's happy (less car traffic through Stanley Park) the North Shore gets excellent transit, and use the toll to buy carbon credits (The environmentalists are happy).

one problem... the British Properties.

I'm pretty sure the Lion's Gate bridge would not be able to support the additional weight of LRT. Large trucks are not even allowed on the bridge. The third lane is also vital for clearing accidents.

[eduardo88]

Originally Posted by Smooth

I'm pretty sure the Lion's Gate bridge would not be able to support the additional weight of LRT. Large trucks are not even allowed on the bridge. The third lane is also vital for clearing accidents.

Well the extra weight of the LRT would be offset by the reduction in weight from less cars and trucks being on the bridge

[SpongeG]

they should build some of these puppies



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