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Old Posted Nov 30, 2011, 4:28 AM
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There's some streetscape "improvements" being done on Scottsdale Rd. I'm not sure how far north they'll be going, but there are new trees and signage from south of McDowell up to the express/local split. They've replaced the green signs in the median with lit, copper columns for the approaching intersections. They've also added shade structures on certain corners- not sure how I feel about these, particularly on the SEC corner of McDowell and Scottsdale Rd., where the structure kind of detracts from the more attractive (IMO) SkySong.

Regardless, it's hard to complain about the addition of trees, shade and art to an otherwise plain area.
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Nice! At least Phoenix didn't have to put more money into the infrastructure for this sprawling cookie-cutter mess...
For a suburban development it's actually pretty dense, and is actually (in my opinion), a very nice development... most people I know wouldn't call it a "sprawling cookie-cutter mess"....
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^^ I agree. It's a nicely developed area that is 20 miles away from DT Phoenix. Of course, automobiles must be factored in to the overall development of the area. Scottsdale airpark has become quite an economic hub with tens of thousands of jobs, businesses, retail, housing and mobility with the 101 wrapping around the corner.

Perhaps Phoenix could do the same near SkyHarbor around 44th St (that was being discussed on Phoenix Development thread).

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^^ I agree. It's a nicely developed area that is 20 miles away from DT Phoenix. Of course, automobiles must be factored in to the overall development of the area. Scottsdale airpark has become quite an economic hub with tens of thousands of jobs, businesses, retail, housing and mobility with the 101 wrapping around the corner.

Perhaps Phoenix could do the same near SkyHarbor around 44th St (that was being discussed on Phoenix Development thread).

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^^^ Ummmmm, I think that is what Phoenix is trying to do DOWNTOWN!

I'm not being negative so much as realistic. Being a sprawling mess doesn't mean it is isn't "nice" or even aesthetically pleasing to some people. But the cookie-cutter aspect isn't negated by that fact...it would look at home almost at any new development in the desert areas of Arizona (especially Tucson). It also is "nice" in that it is sterile and is in no way dense. It is a bunch of low-slung buildings built out 20 miles from downtown: what used to be pristine desert not long ago and a contribution to metro Phoenix' overall sprawl issues. That comes with a bevy of hidden costs; more air pollution, longer commutes, less walker-friendly/biking-friendly mentality, etc that will not bode well for higher energy costs in the near future...

Either than that, I think Scottsdale should be much more concerned with development in Old Town and around Fashion Square. Like downtown Phoenix, there are still plenty of vacant lots and Scottsdale will benefit from real density in that area. It is also great they are fixing S. Scottsdale Rd. Development should also be focused in this area; transit connecting it to Tempe/Phoenix should be a priority.

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What's going on with Scottsdale's Museum of the West? Is it under construction? I recall there were some issues about raising the funds and it had sort of fallen off my radar. I imagine there's no way it'll be open on Feb 14, 2012 as they had hoped.

I was really excited about it, it seemed like a cool museum, plus the Architecture of the building looked phenomenal. I was happy to see Eddie Jones get a chance for a big piece of Civic Architecture on the scale of Bruder's Burton Barr library.
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They have begun demolition of the apartment complex on the SWC of 68th St. and Camelback. I believe a few years back the property was purchased by a develpoer with a proposal for high end apartments on the site. With the Optima and Waterfront projects already under way, I think the proposal was put on the back burner. The property sat vacant and fenced for the past couple of years. Has anyone heard if they are just tearing the builings down or is there a plan to develop?
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Luxury Scottsdale condos likely to replace empty apartments
4 comments by Edward Gately - Mar. 14, 2011 09:33 AM
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An abandoned apartment complex near Scottsdale Fashion Square likely will be demolished in July to make way for a luxury multi-level condominium complex with street-level retail.

Last summer, the Scottsdale City Council approved zoning changes to allow Optima to build its Optima Sonoran Village complex on the southeastern corner of Camelback Road and 68th Street.

Optima, which has developed properties in Arizona and Illinois, purchased the 10-acre property in spring 2010.The Orchidtree apartments have been sitting vacant on the site for more than three years.

Optima Sonoran Village will include 493 residential units and 40,000 square feet of commercial, retail and amenity space, for a total of 726,700 square feet of floor space, the company says. Five buildings will be arranged around two courtyards in the center of the property.

Four of the buildings will be seven stories, while the fifth building will have five floors on its north side and fewer floors on its south side.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2011, 11:12 AM
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Economy may be an obstacle to $74 mil Scottsdale attraction

7 comments by Beth Duckett - Dec. 27, 2011 11:16 PM
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Scottsdale is forging ahead with planning efforts to build a $74 million desert nature center at the base of the McDowell Mountains that supporters predict will become a major Valley tourist attraction.

As the local economy still struggles to emerge from the effects of the recession, officials have been refining plans for the long-awaited Desert Discovery Center project. Central to those plans is a possible vote in 2012 that would ask city residents to approve bonds -- and a property-tax increase to pay for them -- to finance close to $50 million of its total cost.

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The rest would come from private sources.

Backers say the project is needed to bolster the city's tourism industry and highlight its 21,400-acre McDowell Sonoran Preserve. The center has been on the city's radar for more than 15 years, with the tourism community touting its ability to attract more visitors than before in an unparalleled setting.

While it may finally be getting closer to realization, there is still strong opposition. Critics, including some city officials and preserve activists, have raised concerns for several years about the planned center's sprawling size, location inside the preserve and multimillion-dollar price tag.

Both sides agree that a mixture of public and private funding is needed to make the center a reality, which could be challenging -- some say nearly impossible -- in the immediate economic climate.

"As it is right now, the timing and amount and circumstances are not particularly good," said Scottsdale Mayor Jim Lane, who supports the idea but has concerns about location and funding.

The city's appetite for the center is about to be tested. Early next year, a "feasibility" committee that has been overseeing the business plan is set to present its recommendations on how to proceed to the Scottsdale City Council, which may decide to propose a bond to raise funds. That bond election could come as soon as next year.

Showcasing desert

A consultants' report from 2010 envisions a project that would help draw more visitors and showcase the city's nature preserve.

The consultants' study, led by the Scottsdale-based architectural firm Swaback Partners, indicated strong support for a Desert Discovery Center and estimated a $15 ticket price for adults and annual attendance of about 333,000 after several years.

That would put the center on par with other major tourist attractions in the Valley.

The Desert Botanical Garden in Phoenix, for example, charges $18 for adult admission, with about 200,000 paid visits a year. The Arizona Science Center in downtown Phoenix has about 400,000 visitors per year, at $14 a head.

Scottsdale's Desert Discovery Center is planned for land adjacent to the city's McDowell Sonoran Preserve Gatewaytrailhead near Bell Road and Thompson Peak Parkway.

Wandering through a series of pavilions, visitors would encounter interactive exhibits that cover everything from human adaptation in the desert to the sex lives of plants. It would also feature an amphitheater, event space and a high-end restaurant with a view of the mountains.

"It's a one-of-a-kind opportunity Scottsdale has to showcase the Sonoran Desert, which is the most beautiful desert in the whole world," said Melinda Gulick, a member of the feasibility committee. "We're the only ones with this opportunity."

Some critics say the preserve is enough to attract visitors without the presence of a large building in the desert.

Since May, the committee has been evaluating whether the project makes financial sense and how to move forward.

Annual management costs are projected to be higher than revenue, and the funding gap would require separate fundraising, grants and other outside support and possibly a non-profit group to help sustain the center.

Committee chairman Mike Nolan said that based on current market conditions, assumptions for business operations "might be achievable, but aggressive."

He likened it to the Arizona Science Center, which incorporated as a non-profit in the 1980s and used Phoenix bond money to pay for its permanent home downtown.

"That's the model we think would be the most appropriate," he said.

Public and private money

If the city decides to go ahead with financing the Desert Discovery Center next year, it is likely to ask voters to approve up to $48.8 million in a general obligation bond, the highest expense of more than 40 possible projects on the overall bond-proposal list, which also might include funds for a Western museum. The bonds would be repaid through property taxes.

City officials worry, though, that voters might not have the appetite yet to raise property taxes. A year ago, Scottsdale voters rejected a scaled-back list of bond projects totaling $36.6 million. The last successful bond election was in 2000.

The Desert Discovery Center's remaining capital and startup costs -- at least $25 million -- could come from private sources. A study, due out early next year, is expected to gauge the private community's willingness to provide financial support.

Lane, the mayor, said he would be more likely to pursue the proposed $74 million project if there were private backing.

To lessen the financial impact, Scottsdale could consider dividing the project into phases, Lane said.

"Under almost any circumstances, I would like to see this is something viable, supportable and sustainable into the future," he said.

With the addition of another 4,400 acres this month,Scottsdale's mountain preserve spans roughly 21,400 contiguous acres, or more than 33 square miles. The city hopes to acquire a total of 34,000 acres.

Howard Myers, chairman of the Scottsdale McDowell Sonoran Preserve Commission, said that most people support the concept of a nature center and teaching visitors about the Sonoran Desert but that there were financial concerns.

The staffing, projected to be 46 full-time and 60 part-time employees, seems very high, he said, and there was minimal evidence showing how the city would benefit from the project.

Concept debated

With countless hours and dollars invested into the concept, supporters say it is too late to turn back.

Gulick said the city went through a "very painful process" to acquire land for the Desert Discovery Center.

In 2008, Scottsdale and homebuilder Toll Brothers battled over the fair market value of 383 acres on the western slope of the McDowell Mountains, which the city had identified and claimed in 2004 for its preserve.

Scottsdale sought to pay $34 million, but a jury ordered the city to pay $81.9 million.

Carla, one of the preserve's founders, who legally goes by one name, expressed concerns about the project's proposed size and location.

Though a self-described "big supporter" of the Desert Discovery Center concept, Carla said the scope of the project has grown considerably since 1996, when the original design came out.

The center was envisioned as a place where everyone, not just outdoor lovers, could view the mountains and the preserve in an introductory setting without overshadowing it, Carla said.

"I believe very firmly that everybody should visit the preserve. But you do it in an appropriate manner," Carla said. "You don't have to replicate the preserve within the preserve. Now we end up with the Desert Discovery Center on steroids."

To build the center in the McDowell Sonoran Preserve, the city would need to alter its preserve ordinance, which Carla argued should remain sacred.

"We promised them a preserve for their children's children," Carla said. "If you keep treating it like a park and putting things like this in it, you're not going to have a preserve."

Rachel Pearson, a spokeswoman for the Scottsdale Convention and Visitors Bureau, said the tourism community is supportive of the Desert Discovery Center and wants to see it built.

"It's such an important potential project for Scottsdale that showcases one of the reasons our destination is so popular," Pearson said.



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Interesting little note in this article about the Western Museum, sounds like it might be an either/or situation. The Desert Discovery Center sounds cool I guess, but it doesn't seem clear to me how its much different than the DBG which is already a world class amenity.
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what is supposed to be of this scottsdale beach club?

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jac...oming_to_1.php
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5,700 apartment units planned in Scottsdale
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A condominium-development bust in Scottsdale has given way to a boom of developers lining up to build 5,700 apartments in 18 projects citywide.

Optima Sonoran Village is the first project to get its building permits and start initial site work for a 10-acre property southeast of Camelback Road and 68th Street. Optima is primarily a condo development with rental units available, spokeswoman Susan Bitter Smith said.

A half-mile to the east, Gray Development is planning a $170 million apartment project with 749 units in three buildings with a height limit of 128 feet northeast of Scottsdale and Camelback roads.

"We're going crazy with apartments just like we went crazy with condos," said Councilman Bob Littlefield, of a development cycle that fizzled four years ago with the housing-market crash and recession.

Littlefield and Councilwoman Lisa Borowsky have opposed recent apartment zoning cases and expressed concerns about the growing number of apartment projects throughout the city.

But other city officials are not alarmed.

City Manager Dave Richert said the surge is part of the development cycle.

"Financing is available right now for multifamily development," Richert said. "But not all of them will get built."

Planning Director Tim Curtis said his department has not calculated the number of apartment units planned in the city.

"We haven't been tracking what's rental or condos," Curtis said. "We just deal with multifamily residential and whether it is compatible with the surrounding uses."

The Arizona Republic tallied 5,721 units in 18 projects based on plans developers have submitted to the city.

Dan Symer, Scottsdale senior planner, said he is hearing from planning colleagues throughout the Valley about a surge in proposed apartment development.

"It's whoever gets there first," Symer said in reference to which projects will proceed.

CBRE, a real-estate company that tracks the market, reported there are 48 apartment projects in the pipeline in metro Phoenix of at least 100 units.

Littlefield said developers have a herd mentality.

"We should definitely put the brakes on" and plan for the long term, not short-term fixes, he said.

Nearly two-thirds of the proposed units are downtown and along McDowell Road.

That includes the Scottsdale Waterfront project just south of the Nordstrom parking garage on a 3.35-acre site that was recently sold.

Broadstone Scottsdale Waterfront LLC, a partnership between Alliance Residential and JP Morgan Asset Management, bought the property from Scottsdale Waterfront LLC for $13.5 million.Cassidy Turley BRE Commercial announced the deal Friday.

David Fogler, Cassidy Turley executive vice president, said apartment developers are buying prime properties they would not have been able to buy four years ago and they will not be able to buy four years from now.

"Those properties will go for higher and better uses than apartment development," he said.

Fogler agreed with others that not all the proposed apartments will get built.

"Capital to build apartments is still very selective," he said. "Only the best deals will get built first. If those are successful you'll see other properties come online."

The Scottsdale Waterfront developers hope to start construction of 259 apartments by the end of the year and deliver some units by the end of 2013, Fogler said.

No new apartments have been built downtown in a decade, although the Ten Wine Lofts near Osborn and Scottsdale roads, originally planned as for-sale units, were converted to apartments last year.

Optima Sonoran Village is expected to complete its first phase of 210 units in a seven-story building by September 2013. Optima was approved for 493 units but has requested changes to allow another 200 in a later phase, according to spokeswoman Smith.

The McDowell Road corridor also is seeing developer interest. Mark-Taylor Residential Inc. is planning 536units at 74th Street, and SkySong, the ASU Scottsdale Innovation Center, has plans for 325 units. Nancy Cantor, a member of the city's Neighborhood Advisory Commission, said preliminary plans have also surfaced for apartments on the former Petrie Buick site at 64th Street and McDowell.

"More rooftops will usher in more retail" and economic revitalization, Cantor said.


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Broadstone Scottsdale Waterfront LLC, a partnership between Alliance Residential Co. and J.P. Morgan Asset Management, has purchased a 3.4-acre parcel for $13.5 million at the Scottsdale Waterfront, just south of the southeastern corner of Goldwater Boulevard and Camelback Road, a broker involved in the deal said.

Phoenix-based Alliance Residential plans to build a 259-unit luxury-apartment community on the property, adjacent to Scottsdale Fashion Square mall, according to commercial-real-estate firm Cassidy Turley BRE Commercial in Phoenix.

Cassidy Turley Executive Vice Presidents David Fogler, Steve Nicoluzakis and Don Arones represented the seller, Scottsdale Waterfront LLC, a partnership between Starwood Capital Group and Chicago-based Golub & Co.

With the apartment-vacancy rate hovering around 10 percent, at least 5,000 apartment units are under construction or in the planning stages in the Phoenix area, local real-estate analysts have said.

Apartment projects under way include a 270-unit Alliance Residential community at the southeastern corner of Camelback and Esplanade Lanein Phoenix and a 264-unit community at the northwestern corner of Scottsdale Road and Lincoln Drive in Scottsdale.
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Damn at first I thought you were capturing the guy on the bike almost getting hit by the SUV going thru on yellow...then I saw the tower crane.
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Wow that intersection has changed! I always thought that the old apartments that used to be there were kind of cool. The landscaping was super lush and always seemed like an oasis in there.
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Paradise Valley resort planning expansion
Project to include pool, pavilion
by Philip Haldiman - Mar. 16, 2012 02:05 PM
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The Sanctuary Camelback Mountain Resort and Spa in Paradise Valley is planning an expansion that includes 20 new guest rooms, a multipurpose pavilion and an addition to its women's spa.

General manager Mike Surguine said the changes are purely economical.

"Guest rooms are our most profitable product, and with the diminished demand for tennis, it just makes economic sense," he said.

Surguine said the proposed changes are in the north end of the 53-acre property, where the resort's tennis courts are located.

The Sanctuary was formerly the John Gardiner Tennis Ranch, which had a name recognition that drew international tennis stars, celebrities from Hollywood, and politicians from Washington, D.C. The facilities will be removed to allow for the room additions, but Surguine said that because of the heritage of tennis at the resort, the sport will continue to be offered.

"Fortunately, we have up to five additional courts available to us on the property, so tennis would continue to be an integral part of the Sanctuary as it has been since the early '70s when the property opened as John Gardiner Tennis Ranch."

The Sanctuary is also proposing a new pool and other water features south of the guest rooms as well as a minimum of 20 additional parking spaces, one for each new room. The resort, which now has 105 guest rooms, is at 5700 E. McDonald Drive, on the north side of Camelback Mountain.

The proposed changes require an amendment to the resort's special-use permit.

Last week, the Town Council unanimously approved a statement of direction that will allow the Planning Commission to begin its vetting process for the resort's request. Mayor Scott LeMarr recused himself because he is a member of the resort.

The Planning Commission's 90-day review period will expire June 6, but officials say the plan will likely move to the council long before then.

The Planning Commission is scheduled to consider the special-use application on April 3.



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^^^^

how obnoxious that you moved that post Sean.

If you want to get technical, Sanctuary is in Phoenix. The address, 5700 N McDonald Drive, is an address on the north side of the street (in Paradise Valley) but the resort is located on the south side of McDonald, which is in Phoenix.
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^ You're an idiot. Did you even read the article?

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I didn't know Phoenix had a Town Council and its mayor was Scott LeMarr.
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^ You're an idiot. Did you even read the article?



I didn't know Phoenix had a Town Council and its mayor was Scott LeMarr.
Property is not physically in paradise valley except for a chunk of land large enough for a mailbox.

Cut the name calling if you're going to argue.
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Sanctuary, Royal palms, Phoenician, all of those places are within Phoenix city limits, but they prefer the Scottsdale mailing address.

For the area east of Camelback mountain, the city limit stretches along Invergordon.
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Sanctuary is absolutely within Paradise Valley, as is everything east of Echo Canyon Parkway (near the 50th St alignment) along McDonald as far south as the Camelback Mountain Recreation Area and Jackrabbit Rd alignment to just west of Scottsdale Rd. West of Echo Canyon Parkway, the south side of McDonald is in Phoenix.



PV wouldn't have jurisdiction over Sanctuary's zoning if it were just a mailbox.
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Having a development thread with Paradise Valley in the name makes me think of someone buying a house off of Tatum, tearing it down and building a bigger house.
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