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Luma [Elmvale Shopping Centre Redevelopment, Ph 1 | 9f | Completed

RioCan has undertaken a detailed analysis of their portfolio to determine opportunities for residential and mixed use intensification in keeping with the plans of many municipalities to intensify and orient development to transit. These plans aim to reduce urban sprawl, create more liveable spaces, and reduce reliance on automobiles. Elmvale Acres has been selected as an ideal candidate for this form of development and a zoning by-law amendment is proposed to accommodate the new plan.

Vision: To create a compact and well-designed neighbourhood oriented to the Elmvale Acres transit station where residents can live, work and play.

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  • Phase 1: 9 storey mixed use building with 175 residential units
  • Phase 2: 12 storey mixed use building with 200 residential units
  • Phase 3: 26 storey mixed use building with 236 residential units
  • Phase 4: 22 storey mixed use building with 204 residential units with integrated transit station
  • Incorporation of new pedestrian connections and a network of green and open space
  • Preservation of existing retail and commercial uses and introduction of residential uses


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From: http://jeancloutier.com/elmvale-shop...redevelopment/

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Old Posted Dec 8, 2015, 6:01 PM
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Worries mount over proposed Elmvale Acres mall redevelopment
Redesign to open up complex, add green space, new retailers

By Erin McCracken
Ottawa South News, Dec 7, 2015




Residents got their first look at proposed plans to redevelop the Elmvale Acres Shopping Centre and add four nine- to 26-storey rental apartment buildings over the next 20 to 25 years.

As well as creating more than 800 living spaces, mall owner RioCan is also looking to give the mall a complete redesign, add new retail shops and keep most of the existing retail tenants.

“In our mind this is about strengthening the retail that we have and bringing more customers to the retail that we have and subsequently bringing more retailers in,” Stuart Craig, Toronto-based RioCan vice-president of planning and development, said during an open house at Vincent Massey Public School on Nov. 25 that drew at least 100 people.

“We have come to the realization in the last couple of years that the retail world is changing,” he said.

Stores are getting smaller and, in some cases, closing or changing the way they do business, which prompted Riocan to re-examine its assets across the country to determine “... the best way to move forward ... in an environment where shopping centres are changing and shrinking, quite frankly,” Craig said.

Elmvale, Westgate Shopping Centre and Gloucester Centre were among 20 of RioCan's 340 shopping centres across Canada tapped for an overhaul.

Pending approvals, the Elmvale project would begin with the construction of a nine-storey building, featuring 175 units, in spring 2018 where the Kelsey's restaurant is now located at the north end of the complex. The restaurant could be the first to relocate, and possibly rebrand, Craig said.

Subsequent phases would see the build-out of a 12-storey tower with 200 units, a 26-storey building with 236 apartments in the third phase, while the fourth and final phase calls for a 22-storey building with 204 units and an integrated transit station.

The higher end apartments “with a decent price” would be one and two bedrooms, as well as one bedrooms with dens.

But longtime Elmvale Acres resident Candace Cain worries about the proposed building heights and whether mall parking could be reduced.

“People are going to come to visit their friends, and where are they going to park? In the shopping centre,” she said.

“And if the shopping centre is full, they're going to go on the street where families live,” said Jocelyn Besner, who has lived on nearby Hamlet Road for 55 years.

Anne Johnston, who has also lived in the area for decades, said the project has a downtown feel rather than one that belongs in a residential neighbourhood.

While Besner said some of the shops currently at the mall could use some rejuvenation, she is concerned it won't be long before the rest of the area becomes a haven for apartment towers rather than single-family homes.

“I worry it’s not long before the rest of the place is going to become that way,” she said.

“The next thing you know your property values are worth nothing.”

If the four proposed towers are more upscale, she said this would ease her fears.

“We don’t want trashy builds because then that’s not going to be desirable for the neighbourhood,” Besner said.

Alta Vista Coun. Jean Cloutier said the proposed towers won't be near homes behind the shopping centre, but rather closer to the transit station.

And if they do go ahead, the addition of rental apartment stock would fill a need.

“We are short of rental housing in the city,” Cloutier said, adding that it would fit the city's intensification objectives and promote the concept of live, work, play.

“These people would rent these apartments, they would take the bus to work ... and be able to walk to the library, walk to the hardware store, walk to the grocery store because it's all on site,” he said.

Ted Manning, past president of the Canterbury Community Association, said there is benefit to adding smaller units into the residential mix.

“A lot of people my age with large homes are ultimately looking to stay in the same neighbourhood if they can, and (in) a nice apartment where you are and still walk to the shopping centre,” he said.

RioCan’s vice-president said the complex could also prove attractive for young professionals.

“I'll be honest. The other reason we're doing it is ... there's hardly anybody building rental apartments anywhere in the country right now. Yet, you've got condo sites in some cities sitting half built or not started because the market's gone down,” Craig said.

Calling the project “very exciting,” Ottawa-based architect Roderick Lahey said it's an opportunity to transform an underutilized space and create an environment that is “symbiotic to both the resident and the commercial tenant.”

“You strengthen both by having both in the same spot,” he said, adding this cuts down on unnecessary transportation and creates social and economic benefits.

Most of the commercial parking in the mall will remain at-grade, though a portion will be moved underground. Underground parking will be available at the residential buildings.

The vision includes creating green spaces with parks and playgrounds, and “create a permeable space” by opening up the mall to residents living behind the complex, Lahey said, adding the indoor area of the mall will be removed. This would see the Royal Bank relocated and the Loblaws created as a standalone building, which would allow that tenant to possibly upgrade and expand.

“It would be a very walkable mall,” said Cloutier, who likes the idea of creating a more pleasing facade at the rear of the mall complex. “They're going to create a privately-owned public space.”

NEXT STEPS

RioCan has yet to submit its applications with the city, and those will need to go before the city's planning committee and council. Zoning and secondary plan approvals will be required.

Future community meetings will also be held.

More details on the project are available at jeancloutier.com/news. Comments on the project can be submitted by email to jean.cloutier@ottawa.ca.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/n...redevelopment/
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We've already got the usual NIMBY complaints about height, parking & some classist shots at renters.

The area already has lots of residential towers to the south & east. Elmvale Acres is already a transit hub for the area.

Overall, I'm liking this redevelopment proposal.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2015, 6:48 PM
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Anybody who has been to that mall and the vicinity in recent years can only applaud this development plan.
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Do I like the proposed redevelopment, intensification and rejuvenation of an otherwise run-of-the-mill strip mall? Yes!

But do I think there's a million other places where we SHOULD be focusing our intensification strategy instead? Definitely...

How about around St-Laurent Mall, Train, Hurdman, Bayview, or anywhere around the confederation line and rapid transit?? I mean, yes, there technically is existing transit at Elmdale but it's not very "rapid" nor very "frequent"... As I recall you need to take a bus from Elmdale to Hurdman and then take the train at Hurdman to get anywhere around in this city, OH! and buses to and from Elmdale stop at midnight if I'm not mistaken. So forget taking the bus and going out for a drink or so on a Friday if you live in this redevelopment...
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But longtime Elmvale Acres resident Candace Cain worries about the proposed building heights
Of course she does.

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“And if the shopping centre is full, they're going to go on the street where families live,” said Jocelyn Besner, who has lived on nearby Hamlet Road for 55 years.
And what if they do?

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Anne Johnston, who has also lived in the area for decades, said the project has a downtown feel rather than one that belongs in a residential neighbourhood.
Marcus, an elm tree who has lived in the area for decades, said that the project has a suburban feel rather than one that belongs in a forest, which is what Elmvale Acres used to be before people built houses there.

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While Besner said some of the shops currently at the mall could use some rejuvenation, she is concerned it won't be long before the rest of the area becomes a haven for apartment towers rather than single-family homes.
So don't sell your property. Problem solved.

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“The next thing you know your property values are worth nothing.”
Ah, yes, because if the Golden Triangle and the Glebe tell us anything, detached houses near mid- and high-rise apartments are worthless.
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Do I like the proposed redevelopment, intensification and rejuvenation of an otherwise run-of-the-mill strip mall? Yes!

But do I think there's a million other places where we SHOULD be focusing our intensification strategy instead? Definitely...
Who's "we"?
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I can't wait to see everyone crap their depends once Dymon storage starts converting it's real estate holdings into mausoleums.
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*slow clap* Congrats RioCan, you are a developer that makes some sense with your holdings. 3 for 3 it seems in Ottawa.
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RioCan is a REIT so it has to constantly stay attractive to investors. It's not like Lauzon or some other family-owned group that can just sit on property and not do anything with it. This explains why they are so good at chasing after redevelopment.

RioCan also owns the Gloucester Centre, and I think they own the Lincoln Fields mall too. Both would make excellent TOD projects.
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The public comments are predictably anti-urban and depressing:

http://ottwatch.ca/consultations/940
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Like, honest to pete - the top comment in almost every category comes straight out of the Big Book of NIMBYist Whinges:

Parking
The incoming 800 residents or visitors on the site as well as reduction in surface parking spaces will cause overflow parking to take place on residential streets or unauthorized parking lots

Vehicular access
Lining up the entrances to the development with the east-west streets serving the neighbourhoods west of Othello Avenue will cause cut through traffic to and from the commercial development causing an unsafe situation for seniors and children playing

Traffic
Trip generation data from the traffic study underestimates the true amount of traffic that will be generated on the site by the new development (commercial will not stay constant), as well as on adjacent residential streets

Proposed built form
The building heights are too tall for this area
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The number of units is too high
There are already enough apartment units in close proximity. Adding more will disrupt the character of the area.
The proposed building design does not respect the character of the neighbourhood. This is not downtown, the buildings should be smaller, more modest style.

Environmental
Concerns about dust, noise and air pollution during and after construction, as well as air pollution from unnecessary idling at the intersections

Socio/economic
Concerns about effect on property values and property taxes

Planning process
There was a lack of communication concerning the project, as 120 metre of a radius is too small for public notification; many residents were not informed about the open house
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So they plan on building 4 buildings over a 20-25 year period, Whoa slow down lol
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So they plan on building 4 buildings over a 20-25 year period, Whoa slow down lol
I know, right? Some of the complainers won't even be living there anymore, if they're even still alive.
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I know, right? Some of the complainers won't even be living there anymore, if they're even still alive.
Maybe Elmvale will have a subway station by then..
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OH! and buses to and from Elmdale stop at midnight if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, many times had to walk from St Laurent to Elmvale after coming from downtown..
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Like, honest to pete - the top comment in almost every category comes straight out of the Big Book of NIMBYist Whinges:

Parking
The incoming 800 residents or visitors on the site as well as reduction in surface parking spaces will cause overflow parking to take place on residential streets or unauthorized parking lots

Vehicular access
Lining up the entrances to the development with the east-west streets serving the neighbourhoods west of Othello Avenue will cause cut through traffic to and from the commercial development causing an unsafe situation for seniors and children playing

Traffic
Trip generation data from the traffic study underestimates the true amount of traffic that will be generated on the site by the new development (commercial will not stay constant), as well as on adjacent residential streets

Proposed built form
The building heights are too tall for this area
(followed by)
The number of units is too high
There are already enough apartment units in close proximity. Adding more will disrupt the character of the area.
The proposed building design does not respect the character of the neighbourhood. This is not downtown, the buildings should be smaller, more modest style.

Environmental
Concerns about dust, noise and air pollution during and after construction, as well as air pollution from unnecessary idling at the intersections

Socio/economic
Concerns about effect on property values and property taxes

Planning process
There was a lack of communication concerning the project, as 120 metre of a radius is too small for public notification; many residents were not informed about the open house
Parking is definitely a issue when adding tall towers. The problem is that developers don't want to spend the money to construct sufficient underground parking. More cars will end up on currently quiet residential streets. These streets are fine when only a few cars are parked. However, when the street is parked with all legal spots occupied, it's often too narrow for cars going opposite directions to pass. This problem is compounded with the addition of snow and ice in the winter.
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I don't know how true that is. I mean, think of it: if you had a car, would you move into an apartment without a parking spot? Of course not. So if your tower has only 10 parking spots, only 10 people will have cars and anyone else looking for both housing and a parking lot will not buy there.

You can argue that guest parking might be an issue, but adding perhaps a half dozen cars to local streets every now and again for a few hours is not the end of the world.
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For condos, since residency is typically longer term, people with a car will probably only move there if they can have a parking spot in the building.

For rentals, some people will simply take advantage of free overnight parking, to avoid paying for a spot.

For office buildings and other commercial buildings (stores, theatres, etc), people often take advantage of free daytime street parking, and come out to move their car as needed.
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