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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 8:56 PM
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New York’s Empty Storefronts Are A Dark Omen For The Future Of Cities

How Manhattan Became a Rich Ghost Town


OCT 15, 2018

By Derek Thompson

Read More: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...vacancy/572911

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These days, walking through parts of Manhattan feels like occupying two worlds at the same time. In a theoretical universe, you are standing in the nation’s capital of business, commerce, and culture. In the physical universe, the stores are closed, the lights are off, and the windows are plastered with for-lease signs. Long stretches of famous thoroughfares—like Bleecker Street in the West Village and Fifth Avenue in the East 40s—are filled with vacant storefronts.

- Behind the darkened windows, there’s a deeper story about money and land, with implications for the future of cities and the rest of the United States. Let’s start with the data. Separate surveys by Douglas Elliman, a real-estate company, and Morgan Stanley determined that at least 20 percent of Manhattan’s street retail is vacant or about to become vacant. (The city government’s estimate is lower.) The number of retail workers in Manhattan has fallen for three straight years by more than 10,000. That sector has lost more jobs since 2014, during a period of strong and steady economic growth, than during the Great Recession.

- There are at least three interlinked causes. First, the rent, as you may have heard, is too damn high. It’s no coincidence that retail vacancies are highest in some of the most expensive parts of the city, like the West Village and near Times Square. From 2010 to 2014, commercial rents in the most-trafficked Manhattan shopping corridors soared by 89 percent, according to ­CBRE Group, a large real-estate and investment firm. But retail sales rose by just 32 percent. In other words, commercial rents have ascended to an altitude where small businesses cannot breathe. Some of the city’s richest zip codes have become victims of their own affluence.

- Second, the pain of soaring rents is exacerbated by the growth of online shopping. It’s typically simplistic to point at a problem in the U.S. and say, “Well, because Amazon.” But it is no coincidence that New York storefront vacancy is climbing just as warehousing vacancy in the U.S. has officially reached an all-century low: A lot of goods are moving from storefronts to warehouses, where they are placed in little brown boxes rather than big brown bags. Walking around the Upper East Side, where I live, I find it striking how many of the establishments still standing among the many darkened windows are hair salons, nail salons, facial salons, eyebrow places, and restaurants.

- Online shopping has digitized a particular kind of business mostly durable, nonperishable, and tradable goods that one used to seek out in department stores or similar establishments. Their disappearance has opened up huge swaths of real estate. One might expect that new companies would fill the vacuum, particularly given the evidence that e-commerce companies can boost online sales by opening physical locations. But that brings us to the third problem: Many landlords don’t want to offer short-term leases to pop-up stores if they think a richer, longer-term deal is forthcoming from a national brand with money to burn, like a bank branch or retail chain.

- New York’s problems today are an omen for the future of cities. Most people don’t live downtown because they love drifting off to the endearing sounds of honking cars and hollering investment bankers. Rather, they want access to urban activity, diversity, and charm the quirky bars, the curious antique shops, the family restaurant that’s been there for generations and the best way to buy that access is to own a bedroom in the heart of the city.

- What happens when cities become too expensive to afford any semblance of that boisterous diversity? The author E. B. White called New York an assembly of “tiny neighborhood units.” But the 2018 landlord waiting game is denuding New York of its particularity and turning the city into a high-density simulacrum of the American suburb. The West Village landlords hoping to lease their spaces to national chains are turning one of America’s most famous neighborhoods into a labyrinthine strip mall. Their strategy bodes the disappearance of those quirky restaurants, curious antique shops, and any coffee shops that aren’t publicly traded on the NYSE.

- In Jane Jacobs’s famous vision of New York, the city ideally served as a playful laboratory, which nursed new firms and ideas and exported its blessedly strange culture to the world. Today’s New York is the opposite: a net importer of the un-weird, so desperate to bring in national chains to pay exorbitant leases that landlords are willing to sit on barren blocks. Economics assures us that, in the long run, prices and strategies move toward an equilibrium; macroeconomics abhors a vacuum even more than physics (but apparently less than Fifth Avenue landlords).

- As vacancies pile up, one would think that desperate property owners would lower the rent to make room for a new generation of unique shops. In this vision, today’s vacancies are a necessary torment, the grassland fire whose ashes will nourish new native species and bring forth a better ecosystem. And, jeez, how many Wells Fargos and Duane Reades can one city block take? But in the past five years, the problem of rising vacancies and monotony has actually gotten worse.

- It would be one thing if New York were simply trading eccentricity for accessibility—that is, knocking down fusty establishments to build new apartments with affordable housing. But the median home value in Manhattan is still over $1 million. For both middle-class families and emerging companies looking for a foothold in the city, it’s the same dispiriting picture: rising returns to incumbent businesses and legacy wealth, with fewer chances for the upstarts, the strivers, the rest.

- “America has only three cities,” Tennessee Williams purportedly said. “New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.” That may have been true once. But New York’s evolution suggests that the future of cities is an experiment in mass commodification the Clevelandification of urban America, where the city becomes the very uniform species that Williams abhorred. Paying seven figures to buy a place in Manhattan or San Francisco might have always been dubious. But what’s the point of paying New York prices to live in a neighborhood that’s just biding its time to become “everywhere else”?

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Oh sweet Jesus.

Let's just group all of NYC in to Manhattan and claim its un-affordable and a rich ghost town.

Even in Manhattan, some areas are still good places that are not off-limits. In otherwords, if you use the UWS as a benchmark for the whole island, its wrong. If you just use Manhattan as a guage for the whole city, its wrong.

This article is alarmist in nature.

5th Ave on a side note has some of the highest $/sqft prices in the world. You won't get K-mart on that street. High-end stores.

But the city isn't 5th nor is it the UWS or UES.
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Income and housing cost disparities in the us are not matched by differences in the regional consumer (non housing) price index. Online shopping and Amazon allows high income people to arbitrage their high incomes for cheaper goods.

This problem won’t go away without additional taxes on on line shopping imposed on people in manhattan and other similar cities like sf...coupled with redistribution to (for example) retail tenants.
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Neighborhoods are in a constant state of change. It's a normal economic cycle. America is well over retailed, and in 10-years all those vacant storefronts will be home to something new.
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This problem won’t go away without additional taxes on on line shopping imposed on people in manhattan and other similar cities like sf...coupled with redistribution to (for example) retail tenants.
Please, no. For one is not a problem and two, that's not a solution.
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Neighborhoods are in a constant state of change. It's a normal economic cycle. America is well over retailed, and in 10-years all those vacant storefronts will be home to something new.
Like what?

Ground level commercial space in Manhattan. If it’s not retail, then you are changing Manhattan’s character immensely
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What is with the Atlantic and weird "Manhattan is now a ghost-town" articles? They had a very similar article claiming Manhattan residential buildings were all ghost towns a few months ago.

Article is stupid hyperbole. Manhattan vacancies aren't appreciably higher than in other cycles, and while rents are off from two years ago, those were record highs (basically a doubling of rents in two years).

Also, nonsensical conclusion. People live in Manhattan because of high street chain retail, and Manhattan risks becoming Cleveland if there are fewer chains? Huh? High street chain retail is mostly visitor-driven. And why would you live in Manhattan for access to chain stores?
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Fifth Avenue in the 40s has always been the low rent district of Fifth Avenue. The real luxury retail has always been between 50th and 59th St.

And Bleecker St was just a fad for high end retail shops. It boomed, busted, and now seems to be leveling off into something for high mid-range, low high-end retail.
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why not turn it into.......housing! and really, why not. thats the ultimate in mixed use.just turn all of these spaces into walk out apartments or townhouses. tah dah.....
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This article is ridiculous. Nothing to see here of any substance. Move along.
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While most of this is indeed ridiculous, the point about vacant storefronts in very high-cost parts of Manhattan - where there is plenty of demand - is something I've always wondered about, and never gotten a good answer on.

I understand that in some cases, landlords will hold out - even for years - because getting a long-term commercial lease at a high rate is better than getting either a shorter-term lease (and having to potentially refit within only a few years) or worse, being locked into a longer-term lease significantly cheaper than other buildings in the area. I also understand that there are tax writeoffs for vacant property which sweeten the deal a bit.

But when it comes down to it, you would think the market would take care of this in desirable areas. There is clearly demand for more walk-up commercial business of some sort in very dense urban neighborhoods like Manhattan. And the supply of storefronts exists. The market should adjust by rents easing until vacancy rates fall close to zero. After all, a market with rent at X and vacancy at 20% is less profitable than one with rent at X-15% and vacancy close to zero.

Yet this does not happen. I have to wonder if part of the reason is that in high-cost areas like Manhattan, the value of the property as an asset far exceeds its value as a cash generator.
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I have to wonder if part of the reason is that in high-cost areas like Manhattan, the value of the property as an asset far exceeds its value as a cash generator.
Yes. And the institutional ownership structures have no incentive to take any tenant. They'll wait for 10 years if that's what it takes, no problem. They're trying to cultivate an image and have no short-term cash flow concerns. The soverign wealth fund of Bahrain doesn't care about a vacant space.

As long as I've lived in NYC, long before Amazon, top-tier corridors like Fifth and Madison have had higher vacancies than downscale retail corridors in, say, the South Bronx and Jamaica.

There's also an issue that the big growth users (food and fitness) are disliked by residential buildings. Wealthy residents don't want gyms and food in their buildings, because of off-hours traffic and perceptions about noise and vermin. This is starting to change, but generally speaking, a luxury building will wait 10 years for a fancy handbag boutique over immediately leasing to a crossfit gym or restaurant.
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While most of this is indeed ridiculous, the point about vacant storefronts in very high-cost parts of Manhattan - where there is plenty of demand - is something I've always wondered about, and never gotten a good answer on.

I understand that in some cases, landlords will hold out - even for years - because getting a long-term commercial lease at a high rate is better than getting either a shorter-term lease (and having to potentially refit within only a few years) or worse, being locked into a longer-term lease significantly cheaper than other buildings in the area. I also understand that there are tax writeoffs for vacant property which sweeten the deal a bit.

But when it comes down to it, you would think the market would take care of this in desirable areas. There is clearly demand for more walk-up commercial business of some sort in very dense urban neighborhoods like Manhattan. And the supply of storefronts exists. The market should adjust by rents easing until vacancy rates fall close to zero. After all, a market with rent at X and vacancy at 20% is less profitable than one with rent at X-15% and vacancy close to zero.

Yet this does not happen. I have to wonder if part of the reason is that in high-cost areas like Manhattan, the value of the property as an asset far exceeds its value as a cash generator.
Well, there are plenty of cities with empty storefronts but fully leased office spaces above. Retail is but one aspect of the equation. I would like to see more galleries, event spaces slash cultural venues take over the retail spaces. I also would like to see more pet shops seeing as there are so many pet lovers on this forum. No childcare though pullease. There.
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As long as I've lived in NYC, long before Amazon, top-tier corridors like Fifth and Madison have had higher vacancies than downscale retail corridors in, say, the South Bronx and Jamaica.
Yeah, this is true. There used to be a CompUSA store on Fifth Avenue in the upper 30s, before they went bankrupt. After they gave the space up, it sat vacant for years. The space is occupied and busy now, and most people wouldn't believe that it had ever been vacant if you didn't witness it for yourself.
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And maybe more pawn and novelty shops to make it seem less gentrified.
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Yes. And the institutional ownership structures have no incentive to take any tenant. They'll wait for 10 years if that's what it takes, no problem. They're trying to cultivate an image and have no short-term cash flow concerns. The soverign wealth fund of Bahrain doesn't care about a vacant space.

As long as I've lived in NYC, long before Amazon, top-tier corridors like Fifth and Madison have had higher vacancies than downscale retail corridors in, say, the South Bronx and Jamaica.

There's also an issue that the big growth users (food and fitness) are disliked by residential buildings. Wealthy residents don't want gyms and food in their buildings, because of off-hours traffic and perceptions about noise and vermin. This is starting to change, but generally speaking, a luxury building will wait 10 years for a fancy handbag boutique over immediately leasing to a crossfit gym or restaurant.
I think this is true, here in the UK too and not just in the most upmarket areas, but I think they might be missing something with those policies. Maybe that was a valid strategy in the past but it could be that the structure of retail has changed so significantly with online purchases etc that those luxury handbag boutiques (or regular mid-market stores in less wealthy areas) won't ever arrive, or at least not in big enough numbers to fill the vacant units.

At some point they will have to cut their losses, accept a tenant not willing to pay so much and take the write-down hit on their balance sheet that would lead to.

One thing I've seen talked about a lot with UK retail properties is that they have had clauses stipulating 'upward-only" rent reviews, ie its not possible under existing leases to negotiate a reduction in rent. That's fine if there is sufficient demand to enforce that on stores, but I doubt that is viable now. The owners might be waiting forever for a new tenant if they insist on never reducing rents for existing occupiers.
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oh please, there are so many more people living in the city and coming into manhattan from the region and so many more tourists over the past few decades i wish manhattan was more of a ghost town!

my own neighborhood has gone from windswept to mobbed night and day.

and as the millenials dont drink, that means we do not even have weekend mornings to ourselves anymore, they are up and at'em clogging the streets early on weekends with their trainers and healthy activities, when in the recent past they would have been home sleeping off hangovers.

the point being, manhattan is the opposite of a ghost town and the changing times for retail have had no effect on that.
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^ NYC millenials don't drink? They sure do in Chicago.
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^ NYC millenials don't drink? They sure do in Chicago.
we only have the rich ones in my neighborhood. they are with their trainers and at the gyms and coffee shops by 7am on saturday and sunday. we have noticed this trend since last summer. weekend mornings are like after work rush hour for these millenials. then the tourists show up, so its no weekend break at all anymore.
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