HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Jan 2, 2013, 11:09 PM
animatedmartian's Avatar
animatedmartian animatedmartian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,956
DETROIT | Renaissance Center | 727 FT |1977

The defacto icon of Detroit, the Renaissance Center, or Ren Cen for short. Often thought of as a single building, it is actually 5 high rises atop a single podium. 4 of the 5 are office towers with the 5th and tallest of them a 72-floor hotel with restaurant on top. It is the tallest skyscraper in Detroit and can be seen from up to 40 miles away on a clear day.

Originally built by the Ford Motor company, today it serves as the headquarters of General Motors and includes retail and convention space within the podium. With over 5 million square feet of space, it ranks as one of the largest buildings in the world. It is so large, in fact, it has it's own zip code: 48243

It was designed by John Portman who also designed the Peachtree Plaza in Atlanta. In 2003, the podium was renovated from its cold hard brutalist entrance into a more modern and open interaction with Jefferson Street to the north and the Riverfront to the south.

In 2011, GM installed LED lights on the rings of the towers and 3 screens in place of GM's logos. This allows the Ren Cen to have dynamic signage and often during sporting events or certain holidays, the logo and colors will change to suit the event. The default settings a majority of the time is the GM logo with blue bands.

Video Link


My own pictures.







































My personal opinion is that it's a love it or hate or building. It truly is a city within a city complex, and if it was connected to a residential complex, I think it would be possible to be a self sustaining complex. Though that's also it's downside, like many developments of its size and age, it's removed from the city core and the area around it is not the most pedestrian friendly except for the riverfront. It could be better, but it could also be worse.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 12:47 AM
uaarkson's Avatar
uaarkson uaarkson is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Back in Flint
Posts: 2,085
It has certainly aged better than a lot of other corporate behemoths from this era.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 1:43 AM
MolsonExport's Avatar
MolsonExport MolsonExport is online now
The Vomit Bag.
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 44,901
Delta City!
__________________
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 1:55 AM
PEORIA PEORIA is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 158
IMO, This project's stark architectural design doesn't ' mesh ' well with the rest of Detroit's (historic) downtown skyline like Portman's ' Bonaventure ' does in Los Angeles or his ' Peachtree Plaza ' does in Atlanta. Renaissance Center, despite attempts to unite it with the rest of the CBD and make it more ' pedestrian-friendly ', cannot overcome the fact that it's STILL too visually aloof, clustered, and monolithic. Such is the problem with well-intended but badly-planned development(s).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 3:31 AM
JonathanGRR JonathanGRR is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: London
Posts: 364
I think that the stark contrast actually makes it work in Detroit (at least for me). Its position in the skyline is nice because it makes a statement while allowing other high buildings in Detroit to be showcased as well. What makes the Ren Cen so separated is the fact that no other tall buildings are immediately adjacent to it. The pedestrian-unfriendly Jefferson Ave separating the area from the rest of Downtown also contributes to this. I would imagine that if the Chrysler and Lodge freeways were to meet as a tunnel underground instead of a service boulevard (making Jefferson smaller in the process) that pedestrian activity would improve.

Last edited by JonathanGRR; Jan 3, 2013 at 5:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 3:51 AM
animatedmartian's Avatar
animatedmartian animatedmartian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,956
Some historical photos. Seems like original plans called for a taller central tower/shorter office towers.






http://dlxs.lib.wayne.edu/cgi/i/imag...184775;size=20
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 4:10 AM
JonathanGRR JonathanGRR is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: London
Posts: 364
There were also supposed to be eight smaller towers (four on each side) instead of just the two that there are now.

Is there a percentage floating around of how full the Ren Cen is?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 4:46 AM
DrNest's Avatar
DrNest DrNest is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,119
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan.jam View Post
I think that the stark contrast actually makes it work in Detroit (at least for me). Its position in the skyline is nice because it makes a statement while allowing other high buildings in Detroit to be showcases as well. What make the Ren Cen so separated is the fact that no other tall buildings are immediately adjacent to it.
I agree. I often travel to Windsor and it's very distinctive to see the Ren Center driving down the 401. To me it is a very iconic building, that looks good, and it's location is perfect in that it gives other buildings in the Detroit skyline room to show themselves, whilst still being the dominant building.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 8:44 AM
LMich's Avatar
LMich LMich is offline
Midwest Moderator - Editor
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Big Mitten
Posts: 31,745
My favorite views of the complex are actually from the city-side:


"Ren Cen" Outside Ford Field and Comerica Park by Evan Gearing (Evan's Expo), on Flickr


Detroit People Mover by taestell, on Flickr

I used to hate the thing, but the massive renovation to open it up to the city was actually very successful, if you ask me. If they ever get RiverEast up and running, it'll be an even better complex.
__________________
Where the trees are the right height
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 2:48 PM
animatedmartian's Avatar
animatedmartian animatedmartian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,956
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan.jam View Post
There were also supposed to be eight smaller towers (four on each side) instead of just the two that there are now.

Is there a percentage floating around of how full the Ren Cen is?
89% for office space.

56% for retail space.

Calculated based on what they said the total square footage was and just subtracted the space they had listed. This doesn't include the two shorter towers and parking garage.

http://www.gmrencen.com/Leasing/Listings.axis
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 3:06 PM
GRsupercity's Avatar
GRsupercity GRsupercity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 50
I have ate at the restaurant at the top. Very expensive, but the views were amazing. You can see all of detroit and winsor. The glass elavator to the top is the best part. Sadly, it doesnt spin anymore though.
__________________
Building Grand Rapids one building at a time
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 4:27 PM
Crawford Crawford is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Brooklyn, NYC/Polanco, DF
Posts: 30,760
The RenCen is actually seven towers, not five. There were two shorter towers added in the early 80's. They're connected to the main complex by skywalk.

I agree the RenCen is iconic and distinctive, but it's really a disaster. The public interior spaces have never worked, retail has never functioned, and the place remains a confounding maze.

Overall, it's a dystopian building that's symbolic of its age.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Jan 3, 2013, 5:02 PM
ThatOneGuy's Avatar
ThatOneGuy ThatOneGuy is offline
Come As You Are
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Constanta
Posts: 920
The complex is way too fat. Looks like a blob.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2013, 5:25 PM
Guiltyspark's Avatar
Guiltyspark Guiltyspark is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan.jam View Post
There were also supposed to be eight smaller towers (four on each side) instead of just the two that there are now.

Is there a percentage floating around of how full the Ren Cen is?
It is pretty full as the GM world headquarters and a successful hotel.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2013, 5:30 PM
Guiltyspark's Avatar
Guiltyspark Guiltyspark is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 937
While it still acts as a giant fortress that separates a large portion of the city from the river, I think the recent improvements have gone a long way to making being in this building a pleasant experience. The remodeling of the podium and the winter garden were fairly successful. The addition of the new lighting at the pinnacle also did a lot for this building. It made it feel a lot more modern. In a way, I have always thought of this complex as the Midwest Rockefeller Center. Since I have to see it so often I have forced myself to like it rather than be annoyed with it ever time I drive by. Plus, there is no denying the impact that such a massive structure has. I am glad Michigan finally has at least one building with a forum page, especially since so many members are clearly from Michigan based on their pictures. It would be nice to see some more.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2013, 5:52 PM
animatedmartian's Avatar
animatedmartian animatedmartian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,956
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guiltyspark View Post
While it still acts as a giant fortress that separates a large portion of the city from the river, I think the recent improvements have gone a long way to making being in this building a pleasant experience. The remodeling of the podium and the winter garden were fairly successful. The addition of the new lighting at the pinnacle also did a lot for this building. It made it feel a lot more modern. In a way, I have always thought of this complex as the Midwest Rockefeller Center. Since I have to see it so often I have forced myself to like it rather than be annoyed with it ever time I drive by. Plus, there is no denying the impact that such a massive structure has. I am glad Michigan finally has at least one building with a forum page, especially since so many members are clearly from Michigan based on their pictures. It would be nice to see some more.
Yea I was getting a bit surprised that at least the Ren Cen didn't have a page. I was thinking about doing a few of the other Detroit landmarks as well.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Jan 4, 2013, 8:37 PM
DecoJim's Avatar
DecoJim DecoJim is offline
Art Deco Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 748
I do not love this complex but at least it still looks reasonably modern after 36 years. That old berm on Jefferson was horrible; I am happy that GM removed it. To those that argue the hotel would look better without the four office buildings so close to it, I say it looks more distinctive this way.

The first time I went there in the 1980s, I remember almost getting lost in the confusing jumble of corridors, ramps, connecting pedestrian bridges, etc. I did mange to eat at the old Summit Place restaurant at the top; the revolving platform did work back then. The Coach Insignia restaurant now occupies the 72 floor.
__________________
My Detroit and Lego architecture photos: flickr/decojim/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted May 24, 2014, 12:40 PM
animatedmartian's Avatar
animatedmartian animatedmartian is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,956
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted May 26, 2014, 1:35 AM
Tedious Tedious is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 117
Not a fan of how symmetrical the complex is and how separate it appears from the city core. As long as GM is happy in Detroit though, that's well and good.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted May 26, 2014, 1:42 AM
Guiltyspark's Avatar
Guiltyspark Guiltyspark is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedious View Post
Not a fan of how symmetrical the complex is and how separate it appears from the city core. As long as GM is happy in Detroit though, that's well and good.
GM wanted to move to their headquarters to their Warren office but that was vetoed by the POTUS.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:53 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.