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Old Posted May 3, 2016, 5:43 PM
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Preston merchants learn the hard way that private parking rentals are illegal

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 3, 2016 | Last Updated: May 3, 2016 12:36 PM EDT


People who live in Little Italy will risk fines in the thousands of dollars if they follow advice from the Preston Street merchants’ association to rent out their driveways during a bike festival this weekend.

“We had no idea this wasn’t legal. Like, totally mea culpa here,” said Lori Mellor, the association’s executive director.

The business group is closing Preston Street for CycloFest on Sunday, its first annual celebration of “the ideal urban neighbourhood for those who want multiple transportation options.” Worried about a shortage of parking for people who’d rather drive, the merchants joined up with a Toronto company called HonkMobile, which has an app that’s essentially an Uber for parking spots.

If you have spare space on your driveway, you sign up, set your price and the hours of availability, and the app advertises it to people who want someplace to park (for a percentage).

“It actually provides a great service here, where parking is always an issue,” Mellor said. “We have Fridays and Saturdays when we’re at 106 per cent capacity, and there are empty laneways nobody’s using.”

It just seemed like a good idea. Until, Mellor said, the association’s board got a stern warning from Coun. Catherine McKenney that it’s against the law.

“It was a big eye-opener for the board this morning,” Mellor said. It’s too late to do anything about CycloFest — the leaflets are already distributed, the partnership already executed — but a similar parking deal for Italian Week in June is off.

Aside from being a bit off-brand for a bike festival, renting out a private parking spot is a commercial activity of a kind not usually allowed in residential areas. The worry is that if anybody could rent out space on their property to park cars, we’d see lawns and yards gravelled and paved. Some people already do that just to store their own vehicles, so imagine what they might do if there was cash to be made.

Glebeites used to make good money renting out their driveways for football games and the Central Canada Exhibition, which Mellor said was the model she was thinking of. That’s also illegal. Some people do it on the sly, but the city’s warned that a property owner could be fined up to $5,000 if he or she is caught. The same law applies here.

As things stand, the city only gives time-limited permission for new parking lots even on vacant lots now, typically a couple of years at a time. The idea is that sometimes a property has to be empty and yes, fine, you can use it for parking, but there should be a plan for new development on the way. It wouldn’t do us any good to discourage full-blown parking lots only to replace them with hundreds of spaces scattered across front yards and back gardens in downtown neighbourhoods.

But if you want to try it, there’s a pile of online tools you can use to do it now, like Honk. They do the hard work of connecting owner and renter, so you don’t have to fool around with posters or Kijiji listings or sitting on your porch with a sign and hoping bylaw doesn’t show up.

Honk has a bunch of other uses, too. Oshawa, for one, contracted out the payment system for its paid city parking spots to the company, and so have some institutions like universities that have paid parking lots but aren’t really in the parking business. The single-space market is just part of what it does, so it doesn’t need to be as pushy as Uber to survive.

Progressive Conservative MPP Tim Hudak has a private-members bill aimed at freeing up the “sharing economy,” and among its provisions is one that would just abolish municipal rules banning one-off parking-spot rentals.

Aside from reinforcing people’s right to do what they want with their own land, Hudak argues that readier parking would reduce congestion by reducing the number of drivers prowling busy neighbourhoods looking for spots.

It’s a debate worth having, if only to decide definitely that we want to keep the rules we’ve got, but it won’t be settled either way by Sunday. If you’re going to CycloFest, best to ride your bike.

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Old Posted May 3, 2016, 5:46 PM
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A potential solution? I mean, if ridehailing apps (like Uber) are now legal in our new sharing economy, why shouldn't driveway sharing apps?

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Parking apps will allow owners to rent out parking spots by the hour
With companies like Uber and Airbnb shaking up traditional industries, other firms believe parking may be next frontier. The question becomes: Is it legal?

By Vanessa Lu, The Toronto Star
May 21, 2015


Uber is shaking up the taxi industry. Airbnb is eating into the hotel business. And now companies like Rover, WhereiPark and HonkMobile are sprouting up to cash in on empty driveways and parking spaces across Toronto.

Welcome to the sharing economy, now in overdrive, as companies and consumers try to figure out new ways to monetize existing assets.

Grant Brigden and Tim Wootton are working on their Rover Parking app, due to launch in late June or early July, where drivers can rent private spots by the hour.

“We want the parking to be cheaper than street parking or lot parking,” said Brigden. “The owners set the price, but we set the parameters.”

That means capping rates at no more than $2 an hour, though an algorithm will also offer a daily maximum rate. Rover will take 20 to 30 per cent from every transaction, split equally between owner and renter through fees added to the hourly price.

It plans to offer parking across the city, but is looking to concentrate in neighbourhoods like Roncesvalles, College St., the Danforth, Yonge and Eglinton, King West and Queen West.

But with the City of Toronto trying to crack down on Uber, the question becomes: Is it legal to rent out a parking space?

Like everything at city hall, it’s not a simple answer. Under the city’s zoning bylaw, the city has required most newer houses — whether it’s detached, semi-detached or a townhouse — to have one parking space. It can be in a garage, backyard or side yard.

“If you don’t have a car, we still require the space to be there,” said Klaus Lehmann, manager of the zoning bylaw project. “That space is under the owner’s control.”

If owners wish to rent out that single space, that’s fine. But you can’t rent out your driveway or line up cars in your backyard. “Once you do that, you become a commercial parking lot. That’s not permitted,” he said.

However, such activity is only enforced if someone complains. According to Mark Sraga, the city’s director of investigations, violators could face up to a maximum fine of $5,000 — but there have been no such charges in recent years.

While Rover is still trying to get off the ground, other companies are already fully operational including WhereiPark, which arranges parking spots on a monthly basis, and HonkMobile, which helps drivers find, reserve and pay for parking.

Jeremy Zuker and Alex Enchin launched WhereiPark last October when they realized there was no central online place to track spots available for rent.

Toronto's explosive condo growth has made parking even harder to find, with many former surface lots now home to condo developments.

“Parking is one of the budget line items everybody hates,” Enchin said. “Part of our early hypothesis is if people are paying $200 a month, will they walk an extra block or two to save $40 to $50 a month?”

So far, it’s working. They have rented out hundreds of spots and have about a thousand spots available — some managed by large parking companies and others are an individual’s driveway.

There is no cost to list, but they add a 20 per cent charge to the monthly rate. They collect the payments by credit card every month and send it to the owner through direct deposit or via bank e-transfer, avoiding postdated cheques.

HonkMobile CEO Michael Back, who founded and sold a successful payments company, likens what his firm is doing for parking to what Uber is doing to the taxi industry.

With HonkMobile, users register their licence plates along with payment information, which can include a credit card, bank account or PayPal number. The system is connected to 300 parking lots, mostly in Toronto, representing almost 11,000 spaces.

“You can drive in, press a button and pay for parking instead of digging for coins, or freezing outside,” said Back, adding the program will notify users if time is about to expire.

“We are doing people’s driveways, but that’s not our focus,” he said. “It’s better if I can grab 10, 20, 50, or 100 spaces.”

HonkMobile, which is the midst of raising $2 million in financing, is already working with some property owners who have many spots in places like Burlington, Pickering or Oshawa that are located near GO stations, where parking is in high demand.

“It is suburban residential so it’s a few dollars a day,” he said, but adding there are lots of other potential locations of underused space.

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What is the problem with this. An event is going on, people want to drive there, a shortage of off street parking spaces exist, people rent out their unused driveway to visitors and charge them.

Who at the City dreams up these type of draconian regulations. What is it about people at the City who want to control so many segments of our lives and they think they know best about how businesses should operate .
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The problem of people paving over their yards in central neighbourhoods into grey market parking lots is real, unsightly, and an environmental problem (runoff, and less of the shade and improved air quality that the already-limited vegetation would provide). Take a virtual stroll around Mechanicsville to see a few examples:
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The problem of people paving over their yards in central neighbourhoods into grey market parking lots is real, unsightly, and an environmental problem (runoff, and less of the shade and improved air quality that the already-limited vegetation would provide). Take a virtual stroll around Mechanicsville to see a few examples:
https://goo.gl/maps/g2cJiSmcPzD2
https://goo.gl/maps/rqT5DNmBndK2
https://goo.gl/maps/a5x6RxaCUZG2
https://goo.gl/maps/MqVfSGe4RF32
https://goo.gl/maps/VHchvhUjQnx
https://goo.gl/maps/4THkRZJa3Tp
Good examples....but I think the situation in the Preston area is people renting out existing driveways that may be otherwise being not used for the duration of an event that will generate a lot of parking demand.

You are right that there are many examples of front yard parking that were done w/o permits/approvals and they do compromise the drainage patterns that had been calculated
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I was responding to this line in the article:
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Aside from being a bit off-brand for a bike festival, renting out a private parking spot is a commercial activity of a kind not usually allowed in residential areas. The worry is that if anybody could rent out space on their property to park cars, we’d see lawns and yards gravelled and paved. Some people already do that just to store their own vehicles, so imagine what they might do if there was cash to be made.
The "worry" isn't hypothetical, there is already cash to be made, and people are making it.
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And the very real problem of people paving permeable surfaces in the core affects ground water levels, which in turn can have dramatic effects in shifting foundations. I know a couple houses in Centretown that are uninhabitable due to this effect.
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There's a house in my 'hood where the whole backyard is a parking lot: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.43665...7i13312!8i6656
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There's a house in my 'hood where the whole backyard is a parking lot: https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.43665...7i13312!8i6656
Nice little "business on the side" going there, it would appear. I wonder if the by-law office is aware? Maybe it's compliant?
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Nice little "business on the side" going there, it would appear. I wonder if the by-law office is aware? Maybe it's compliant?
Oh I see what happened here, it's been converted into a two unit rental property. http://2023ogilvie.com/online-ad/ That doesn't explain the excessively large parking lot.
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The rules are mostly about front yard parking, and technically that's all in a backyard. If you read the bylaws, it states that a legal parking spot has to be completely behind the designated front of your house (where the foundation starts), which then entitles you to a driveway leading up to it.
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A potential solution? I mean, if ridehailing apps (like Uber) are now legal in our new sharing economy, why shouldn't driveway sharing apps?
Why do you hate the children and their property values?
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Why do you hate the children and their property values?
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