noirish Los Angeles - Page 2026

Beaudry · #**40501** Posted **Mar 12, 2017, 11:59 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Just out of curiosity, when did the cocktail glass (shown in the shot above) go missing from the Frolic Room sign? It's on the drawing accompanying the 1948 permit for the sign.

Holy cats! You're right. There's someone I'm gonna ask who might know.

ladbs

Looks like they redid the whole bottom of the sign, not only losing the neon martini glass, but on the can you can see the openings for the tube housings where the original "cocktails" neon lived. The differences between the criss-cross background interest as well.

pinterest

(By the way, how much do we love Fletcher & Irene?)

Edit: just found this image from this photographer: http://www.quintascott.com/HollywoodBoulevard.html

John Maddox Roberts · #**40502** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 12:24 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfredmertz

Thanks for the reply, Martin. The network I am writing this for would murdalize me if I gave away the pilot details but suffice to say it's very noirish and set in the 1930s. I am also one of the producers of the new Robert Downey Jr. version of "Perry Mason" which is very, very noir and set in the 30s. It's being written by Nic Pizzolatto, who created "True Detective," one of the best detective series I have ever seen on television. NLA is a never ending font of information and I marvel at the ability of the folks on here who can pinpoint a location from a mere fragment of a building in a photograph. That's why we love this group and all of your august and arcane knowledge.

And I STILL want to know what pool I can dive in to see the totality of the Life photo collection.

Oooh, can I send you my screenplay? Just kidding. I'm a writer myself, and I know what a PITA wannabes can be. Congratulations, and I'm really looking forward to seeing these productions. And I love this group for the same reasons.

BifRayRock · #**40503** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 12:37 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

The ghost of Dr. Brinkley... (as I post this, I wonder if we've seen this before...anyway...)

GSV

I became curious about Dr. L. A. Brinkley and his signs...not much turned up on him--but I did find more info on Dr. John R. Brinkley, discovered by BRR in connection with goat-nutter Dr. Wheeler (see prior post here). Here's a bit more of his story, excerpted from Wikipedia (boldface is mine):

"In 1922, Brinkley traveled to Los Angeles at the invitation of Harry Chandler, owner of the Los Angeles Times, who challenged Brinkley to transplant goat testicles into one of his editors. If the operation was a success, Chandler wrote, he would make Brinkley the 'most famous surgeon in America,' and if not then he should consider himself 'damned.' California didn't recognize Brinkley's license to practice medicine from the Eclectic Medical University, but Chandler pulled some strings and got him a 30-day permit. The operation was judged a success, and Brinkley received his promised attention in Chandler's paper, which sent many new customers Brinkley's way, including some Hollywood film stars. Brinkley was so taken with the city—and all the money it represented in the form of potential patients—that he began making plans to relocate his clinic there. But his hopes were dashed when the California medical board denied his application for a permanent license to practice medicine, having found his resume 'riddled with lies and discrepancies'.... Brinkley returned to Kansas.... Brinkley's activities inspired the film industry term 'goat gland' — the grafting of talkie sequences onto silent films to make them marketable."

Gotta love 'ole Harry making one of his editors a guinea pig...

Quoted

post before. Of course Dr. John Romulus "bleat" Brinkley steadfastly clung to the title "M.D." versus the ad's "C.D." title, so the pictured ad referred to someone else. Interesting how many secondary authorities incorrectly suggest Chandler was the patient-victim.

"Dr." Brinkley

http://wncmagazine.com/feature/bad_medicine#expanded

"Call in person."

Here is a newspaper ad, the date and original publication are unknown, with a Long Beach connection.

http://wncmagazine.com/feature/bad_medicine#expanded

Per this source, this 192[4]-image is of the California Theater at 1049 American Avenue (now Long Beach Ave.) in Long Beach. In addition to housing the theater, it also served as the address for "Long Beach Health Clinic."

http://www.csulb.edu/colleges/cla/de...thquake-sm.jpg

"So are you the white moth?"

FWIW, the White Moth was released in 1924

IMDB

BifRayRock · #**40504** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 12:58 AM**

1929 - Long Beach Avenue and 42nd Street.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/13124

4200 Long Beach Ave.

GoogleSVU

GoogleSVU

Opposing view may not me as interesting.

Not an escaped pet rock

Curious why so many utility poles in the Long Beach area were canted.

BifRayRock · #**40505** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 1:30 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay

I'm sure we've seen this photo before:

Another still from the same film. In this one you get a partial view of the pole signage for the Marquis restaurant (see my post on that building on pg. 1827). Also visible is the House of Jazz/The Body Shop building.

http://www.popsike.com/pix/20150322/291406361621.jpg

How was the pizza?

8250 Sunset - Ben Pollack's listing was for a restaurant, but obviously he offered more than grub. His ending - in 1971 - was tragic. http://www.redhotjazz.com/pollack.html Wish the signage was more legible.

GoogleSVU

ethereal_reality · #**40506** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 1:45 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

ethereal reality

I'm going to guess that this is the southwest corner of W Olympic and S La Brea. The 1960 CD has Pop's Hot Dog Stand at 1001 S La Brea Avenue,
Brady's Appliance Co at 1009 S La Brea Avenue and Bud Seiger's La Mirror Olympic La Brea Florist at 5300 W Olympic Boulevard.

I can't match any of the current buildings to the vintage shot.

Thanks Hoss.

But I believe the buildings are still there. (with some modification)

gsv

Brady's appliance is the larger beige building on the left...and the flower shop with the large front windows is at far right.

And if I'm not mistaken, Pop's is still there too.

__

tovangar2 · #**40507** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 2:19 AM**

I'm still stuck at W 4th and S Olive:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Back in 1910, the SE corner of W 4th and Olive was residential (these structures were still there on the 1921 Baist):

baist 1910, plate 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

USC Digital Library

Zooming in, here's a better view of the Hotel Sheldon. The garage appears to have been the Savoy Auto Park in 1925.

Detail of picture above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

I tried to find a picture of the Mumford, but had to make do with this rear view (arrowed). It's where the Savoy Auto Park would be built a few years later. The lot opposite, where the Hotel Clarke Garage would soon appear, seems to be empty. A corner of the Antlers is just visible. MichaelRyerson posted a great large version of the full photo in post #21466, complete with a detailed description of everything in it.

Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Beaudry had also pictured the rear view of the buildings that would fall for the Savoy Garage:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry

libraryocongress

And ProphetM has the whole line-up from the front except for the elusive corner building (someone's running a laundry/tailors out of the space under the Mumford's flag-festooned porch):

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM

If we go west on 4th St. to Olive and then turn around, on the left we can see the Hotel Clark Garage (1919) on the corner of 4th & Olive, followed by the Antlers and then the Black Building (1920s view):

USC Digital Library

If anyone has an image of that corner building, I'd love to see it.
.

CityBoyDoug · #**40508** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 4:28 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

Not an escaped pet rock

Curious why so many utility poles in the Long Beach area were canted.

According to the sign on the back of the car*, the man in the street is Dick Whittington [?], photographer. 1924-87.

*Previous post #40505.

odinthor · #**40509** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 4:42 AM**

SE corner of Olive and 4th:

odinthor collection

Flyingwedge · #**40510** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor

SE corner of Olive and 4th:

odinthor collection

c. 1905:

CHS-5548 @ USCDL

Pic originally posted in: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=22393

oldstuff · #**40511** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 2:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Fizzies fizzled....lol. I see what you did there.

Yes, this is what I was thinking of Martin Pal.

http://www.theimaginaryworld.com/newsad99.jpg

Here's a short Fizzies commercial.

• Video Link

-------

While I was looking for more information for odinthor's 'Fizzrin', I came across the Sputnik themed Fizz-Nik'.

fizznikrick / pinterest

"Fizz Niks, popular in the early 1960s, were plastic orbs made with a short straw-like opening on each end.
They screwed open to hold a scoop of ice cream, and when closed back up one end went into a glass soda pop bottle.
You'd then sip through the straw on top for an "'instant' ice cream float."

"The name and shape were inspired by the Soviet "Sputnik" satellite." (I thought so!

)

__

I remember Fizzies, which were advertised quite a bit on Saturday morning cartoons in the 60's.

I also begged and pleaded with my mother to have one of those Fizz Nik things. I used it a couple of times, but we almost never had ice cream to put in it so it became sort of useless after that. I do remember that my friends were very impressed that I had one.

Ed Workman · #**40512** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 2:58 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

1929 - Long Beach Avenue and 42nd Street.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...ll170/id/13124

4200 Long Beach Ave.

GoogleSVU

GoogleSVU

Opposing view may not me as interesting.

Not an escaped pet rock

Curious why so many utility poles in the Long Beach area were canted.

Those poles support the overhead wires for Pacific Electric Check to see if there aren't four tracks. Thus there is a lot of lateral pull on the pole to cant the other way, which would look like failure

oldstuff · #**40513** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 3:14 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

While we're in Pasadena.....

Fisher's for Fine Food, 3589 E. Colorado Blvd.

ebay

Here's the same building today.

gsv

The charm of the roadside diner is entirely missing

despite it being the same building.

(Colorado Blvd. was Route 66, right?)

When I was a small child, we used to eat at Fisher's occasionally. My grandmother had elderly friends who lived in a trailer park (a sort of fancy one) at Kinneloa and Colorado and this was the closest nice restaurant to them so we would go there for lunch when visiting. I also recall that at about 4 years old, I was very impressed by the arch sort of thing over the driveway which I thought was very special. (I was easily impressed at the age of 4) I think that the property where the trailer park had been was later the Fedco. If anyone can find a picture of that area in the early 50's, it would be a great trip down memory lane for me.

As for the newest look for Fisher's, it appears that it may have been a Mexican restaurant before the sushi people got hold of it.

BifRayRock · #**40514** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 4:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman

Those poles support the overhead wires for Pacific Electric Check to see if there aren't four tracks. Thus there is a lot of lateral pull on the pole to cant the other way, which would look like failure

Thanks for the response. Makes sense, yet if I am not mistaken, this construction seems most prevalent in the LB area. Wouldn't the built-in flex reduce pole lifespan? Guy wires might similar sense, but economics probably ruled the decision making.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

According to the sign on the back of the car*, the man in the street is Dick Whittington [?], photographer. 1924-87.

So, you think that's a "selfie?" I bet we have seen DW before without being aware of it. On the other hand, it is just as likely that DW or one of his associates was behind the lens and the potential traffic matador was a willing volunteer minding his rocks. (It appears that the rock/s in the photos were part of an accident reconstruction.)

1912 - Long Beach panorama. (Sorry HossC, this one is deconstructed from right to left. ) http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/4389

Assuming horizon is Signal Hill area. Onshore flow might have changed plans to live nearby.

More Long Beach and petroleum. Source differs on date 1944 and 1947.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71322c57b8102119_large

No, it is not Long Beach, but rather the smoke created by a Long Beach refinery fire (date unk.) that is affecting the Los Angeles Basin (Park La Brea in center). (Either that or WigWag has fired up his backyard BBQ!)

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/d96445931eef8bcd_large

Ed Workman · #**40515** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:25 PM**

<<<<Thanks for the response. Makes sense, yet if I am not mistaken, this construction seems most prevalent in the LB area. Wouldn't the built-in flex reduce pole lifespan? Guy wires might similar sense, but economics probably ruled the decision making>>>
The pix are from above Watts, where Fourtracks ended [and became two two and two to various places], so not Long Beach- that's just the name of the street.
But canting poles was done on any number of tracks. No guy wires account the streets are in the way. The poles went in straight, but tilted.
Nothing to do with stress in the poles, only deflection, which tends to set with time in wood

BifRayRock · #**40516** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:31 PM**

EW

I was only suggesting the canted poles seemed to be in the South - Southbay area - not necessarily only LB. For some reason I can't recall seeing the same formations north or west of LA, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. Thanks.

From series Circa 1948. Some locations are easily recognized. Some, not so easy. We have seen similar/same before. In no particular order.

Ralph's (Studio City?)
1.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/5f4732cd6d41cf82_large

Rules of the Road (SM Blvd., B.Hills)
2.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/76d96580c7283cd4_large

Rosemead and Garvey
3.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/6140688588e14851_large

4.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/83b34d43b288e9cf_large

5.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/eef01979395e0658_large

6.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/7f0b1cf358b48e89_large

Fender skirts
7.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/77b8f90beda47404_large

Civil Rts Headline
8.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/9f1a77485774ed7a_large

9.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/6f041d480815e8f8_large

10.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ef6d5a524f0177f2_large

11.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/beba513816b382dc_large

12.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/66b28c0dc4532388_large

BifRayRock · #**40517** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM**

And it all started with oil derricks.
1.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ff74dc2e0c2f460f_large

Gardener and Sunset?
2.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/28313e02413a8f62_large

Sunset and Stanley
3.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/0233902f1f7cbf25_large

Santa Monica Blvd., BH
4.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/33e39d1bab7401dd_large

One of MartinP's favorite SM Blvd. intersections?
5.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ce07a3a25d302717_large

Cahuenga Pass Watch out for Monkeys.

6.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/a5091c0ece7b3c9f_large

7.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/658e66865a8b5e5c_large

How are the drinks at the Zomba Cafe? (WigWag bring your ID!)
8.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/34c7dbdcd681d629_large

9.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/e9f93769a730bc76_large

10.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/5bef520246699ace_large

11.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/690e4493d7ea2d3b_large

Hogg's Cafe
12.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/5949f9f8d3f0b24c_large

1948 - Laurel and Ventura Blvds. A different street sign?
13.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/dfea42eb73446c24_large

14.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/89c115ebe4c3771a_large

15.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/80b0cd2beeda3360_large

Highway 101
16.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/bcb7bf4012fba0ab_large

tovangar2 · #**40518** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:40 PM**

Thank you Flyingwedge and odinthor for finding the photo. I thought there must be a little 1880s single-family home hiding among the trees. I'm always interested in (even temporary) survivors of urbanization (the demo was in 1923):

uscdl (detail)

Once I had the image, I realized e_r had posted it too back on page 134

HossC · #**40519** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 6:48 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

10.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ef6d5a524f0177f2_large

For some reason, this one is backwards. I've also tweaked the contrast.

ethereal_reality · #**40520** Posted **Mar 13, 2017, 7:02 PM**

We've seen this place one time before (five yrs. ago), but the pic is missing, so here it is again.

ebay

Did you ever go here oldstuff?

Here it is today, practically untouched.

gsv

Vintage postcard of what stood here before the 'streamline moderne' bldg.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18028

__