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Old Posted Nov 18, 2009, 5:12 PM
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It was my impression that Tourism Hamilton would be using some of the space on the first floor, for a tourist centre.
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will they leave the Pigott then?
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2009, 6:31 PM
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I'm glad they are preserving the storefront layout and aesthetics of the arcade. By filling up the retail spaces with high profile city departments they can use the space and take advantage of the public access afforded by a storefront. When demand for retail space rebounds in the future the city can move out of some storefronts and and open up space for paying tenants.

I'd like to see a full size liquor store open up in the Lister in conjunction with real hours. It's close enough to the current Jackson Square location and getting that foot traffic out on James would be helpful for those two blocks across from Jackson. Those are the worst blocks on James St.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2009, 6:33 PM
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will they leave the Pigott then?
I guess Pigott will join the first floor vacancy club. It'll be in good company with Sunlife and most of the Right House.
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Million-dollar question hangs over Lister

ANDREW DRESCHEL

The mould and mustiness has given way to the dry smells of a construction site.

The plaster has been removed, the walls environmentally cleaned.

And trades workers in hard hats and work boots are all over the place.

There are few sights more gratifying in this city right now than the derelict old Lister being brought back to life like this.

After more than a decade of false hopes and failed starts, it’s purely wonderful to finally track the progress and preservation that’s under way behind the facade at the corner of James North and King William.

Tagging along on a guided tour led by Joe Mancinelli of LIUNA, the owners, and Shawn Marr of the Hi-Rise Group, the union’s partner, you quickly appreciate why the project is costing $25 million.

As Mancinelli joked, contractors are being “tortured by the heritage nature of the building” and what the heritage architects will allow them to do.

It’s obviously paying off.

While uncovering the fabled arcade’s ceiling, they discovered two previously hidden skylights in their original state, which can be used as models to replicate the others.

They’ve salvaged 36 original windows which, along with original doors and pattern glass, will all be incorporated into rehabilitated storefronts.

Most of the marble on the ground floor was saved for reinstallation. Anything missing will be replicated by hand.

All the handrails and newel posts are being brought back to authentic life.

And on the exterior, where real work will begin in the spring, they’re testing the terracotta detailing to find the right colour tone for repair and replacement.

Heck, they’ve even analyzed the original mortar so they can reproduce the aggregate exactly.

Mancinelli says it’s hard to say how many millions of dollars all the heritage work has added to the bottom line.

But it’s fair to say the $7 million the province kicked in to offset the cost of rehabilitating the 1924 building is being put to good use.

When it’s all completed in 12 to 14 months, the city, which is paying the balance of the bill, will be the proud owner of a renewed architectural showpiece.

It will also be the anchoring tenant in the building’s 65,000 square feet of office and retail space, which Mayor Fred Eisenberger confidently predicts will be a “catalyst for redevelopment” in the core.

But we’re not out of the woods yet.

The million-dollar question is, what’s happening with the second phase of the project?

That’s the amount of money the city insisted LIUNA put up by way of guaranteeing the combined project will generate at least $600,000 in new property taxes annually.

The second stage includes rebuilding the adjacent Thomas building on James, replacing the collapsed Balfour on King William, and ideally using the large empty lot behind Lister.

The way things are going right now, Mancinelli doubts they’ll be able to deliver enough development to get the $1 million back.

“We’re talking to some very reputable groups that have a high level of interest, but we’re not at a building or development stage with any of them, unfortunately.”

Still, Mancinelli knows something will have to be done sooner than later, particularly with the Thomas building.

Unlike Lister, the 1850s Thomas is structurally unsound. It not only had to be propped up, it’s been completely gutted.

That’s left an empty, ugly shell next to an emerging gem and Mancinelli knows that simply isn’t tenable.

“We can’t just leave a derelict building sitting next to another building we’ve just done.”

Happily, the Lister building is well on its way to being reborn.

Sadly, in the absence of a concrete plan, a question mark still lingers over the larger Lister Block.
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As Mancinelli joked, contractors are being “tortured by the heritage nature of the building” and what the heritage architects will allow them to do.
My heart bleeds. What the hell did you buy a heritage building for if you don't have the balls to restore it without getting all whiny?


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Mancinelli says it’s hard to say how many millions of dollars all the heritage work has added to the bottom line.
"Mancinelli says he'll happily take credit for restoring a heritage building, as long as he can continue to take cheap shots at the people who forced him to do it." Fixed it.


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“We can’t just leave a derelict building sitting next to another building we’ve just done.”
Anyone with any vision, or decency for that matter, would be doing everything in his/her power to make sure the Thomas building facade is preserved, instead of referring to it as a "derelict building" in the press. We know where this is going. Watch for another midnight 'whoopsie'.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 9:53 AM
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I somehow doubt that Tourism Hamilton is going to leave the Pigott. Rather, I think they'll be opening a smaller office within the Lister Block in addition to the one up the street at the Pigott. This office would be closer to the crowd that comes in for the art crawl and to visit galleries and studios on James North.
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BIG SURPRISE. the promised second phase won't get built
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Another scam.... So the Lister will be neighboured by two missing teeth. Balfour will not get replaced and Thomas will come down. Nice job guys!!

The "phase two" was never a serious offer. Let's see how much Fred can stand up to them?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 8:09 PM
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If Phase two doesn't happen we'll get a million back, perhaps put that money towards saving the Thomas building.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 8:37 PM
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I hope they don't follow the suburban model of 1 part development area to 3 parts parking lot area.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 10:25 PM
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If Phase two doesn't happen we'll get a million back, perhaps put that money towards saving the Thomas building.
Million $? Cost of doing bidness. Make $4 give back $1. They own the Thomas and it will not be standing by August *my prediction*.

Phase two was a scam.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 10:32 PM
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1 restored building next to 1 or 2 lots parking does seem to be the protocol here.

Pigott / SunLife
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They have started to put up large heavy-duty scaffolding around the building.
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Lister Block's facelift


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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 5:06 AM
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 8:59 PM
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I'll be right up there in the lineup for the open house. Hopefully they can turn it into a weekend event and close King William.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 9:55 PM
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while they're at the opening party for Lister, they might as well close down Right House. Since Lister will vacate the only decent remaining tenants of Right House - Public Health. And the Tim Hortons will follow to the Lister soon after ergo qualifying the "retail" space of Lister.

Then we'll be left with a boarded up Right House. Well done. It's called a shell game. Governments are the best at the game.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 10:20 PM
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Certainly won't be the public health department moving to the Lister Block. The City is still trying to patch up an agreement with McMaster for the Family Health Centre.
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okay we'll see. the Right House is vacant in 12 months.
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