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Old Posted Mar 3, 2011, 6:56 AM
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If this is the Nets new logo I like it!

http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/3/2/20...-brooklyn-logo
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http://www.observer.com/2011/real-es...mile-prime-6-0
There Are at Least 21 Bars Within a Half-Mile of Prime 6



What's keeping Whitey McWhite up at night.


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March 2, 2011

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First they came and started building a basketball arena.

Then they came to build a Whole Foods.

And now? Now they're trying to build a lounge that plays—dare we say it—hip-hop music. Well, maybe. Or at least that's what some Park Slope residents seem to think, and a few of these concerned citizens are circulating an online petition to try and convince the restaurant/bar/lounge Prime 6 to embrace indie rock.

"Seventh Ave has ZERO venues for live music by indie artists, and is absolutely ripe for the right type of establishment to come along and breathe life into the live music scene. The business owner who is able to do THAT will reap financial rewards far beyond what they could hope to earn by selling Henessey/etc to basketball fans after a Nets game," writes the apparent petition-starter, Jennifer McMillen. McMillen stipulates she is "not generally the type of person that speaks up," right before denouncing the Prime 6 as another "Yo MTV Raps 'bling-bling' vip club."

Since this morning, the amount of signatures has blown up from 15 to 145. Though, in true online petition form, most of the signatures are false, lest The Observer be led to believe Whitey McWhite is a real person.

Curbed called Prime 6 the first signs of arenafication, the process by which a neighborhood goes from Brobo paradise to the populace not being able to "swing a dead Flyers fan ... without hitting a sports bar," much like the situation outside Madison Square Garden on any given game night. But there are already a good number of bars in the area around the corner of Flatbush and Fifth avenues: at least 21 in a half-mile radius by our count—several consider themselves sports bars and others are described as "boisterous" or "bustling" on their Google Maps entries. Some have live music, a few jazz and blues. One was described in a review as "a great place to do a car bomb."

That's not to say that just becaues Prime 6 is opening and other area bars are getting makeovers that the "arenafication" is done with—just because O'Connor's added a floor doesn't mean they're going to be able to house all 18,000 estimated basketball fans post-game.

What this does mean is that the NIMBYism is just beginning, and while we can't guarantee it's always going to be involve yuppies, an online petition and racist undertones, it should make for some interesting Community Board 6 meetings until the Nets tip off in the fall of 2012.

Unless you live in Park Slope.

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Old Posted Mar 3, 2011, 12:03 PM
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If there are already 21 bars in the are why does this one not need to play hip-hop? and also Brooklyn is the birthplace for hip-hop so I think it should be more respected if a bar wants to play it or not.
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Did they just say....Indie Rock? Hip-Hop has been pronounced dead and they want to put it six feet under?

What a disgrace to Brooklyn! It would be a shame not to put a Hip-Hop bar in the vicinity of a basketball arena! Those two go hand in hand!
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Did they just say....Indie Rock? Hip-Hop has been pronounced dead and they want to put it six feet under?

What a disgrace to Brooklyn! It would be a shame not to put a Hip-Hop bar in the vicinity of a basketball arena! Those two go hand in hand!
I wouldn't go that far, basketball has many fans. But trying to restrict the type of music offered at a venue because you don't like it or the fans is ridiculous. It just goes to show how out of touch with reality some of these people are.
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At least this little issue may be put to rest...


http://parkslope.patch.com/articles/...sing-the-point

Prime 6 Petitions May Be Missing the Point
A second petition has now surfaced, petitioning an initial petition against the Atlantic Yards-area restaurant.


By Kristen V. Brown
March 4, 2011

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Initial outrage against the opening of a Manhattan-style restaurant and lounge near Atlantic Yards has now spiraled into a full-on Internet debate over racism.

On Monday, Slope residents stormed a community board meeting to protest the noise and company that the restaurant, Prime 6, may bring to Park Slope. On Wednesday, an Internet petition emerged urging the restaurant to “embrace indie music” rather than hip-hop and today, a second petition surfaced petitioning the initial petition.

“The underlying racism is just disgusting,” said Windsor Terrace resident Kevin Bova, who penned the second petition in protest of racial remarks in the first. “If you live anywhere in Brooklyn you don’t have the right to be racist. This is one of the most diverse neighborhoods in city. I’ve lived here my whole life and that’s not the Brooklyn I’m proud of.”

He added: “I feel one absurd petition deserves another.”

Though there has been some question as to whether the initial petition against Prime 6 may have been a hoax, whoever authored it did not respond to an E-mail request for comment from Park Slope Patch.

Still, some feel that both petitions may be missing the point.

“It’s not productive on either end to try and anger people about an issue that may or may not be true. They were fairly clear [at the community board meeting] that the only music they proposed was 'light acoustic.' I don’t think people were even worried about that aspect,” said Hope Reichbach, a spokesperson for Councilmember Stephen Levin.

“Our concern is that the owners are accessible to the community and are able to dialogue about issue that are quality of life.”

At Monday’s Community Board 6 meeting, opposition primarily stemmed from proposals for hours extending until 4:00 a.m. and a backyard, which residents worried would bring excessive traffic and noise to the neighborhood.

“We’re not even going to address this petition because it’s just so ridiculous, whether it’s a hoax or not. It’s just so blatantly racist,” said Sharon Davidson, Executive Director of the North Flatbush Business Improvement District.

“As the BID, we want to see businesses in our district. We want to compromise and work with this guy. That’s what we’re looking for.”
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Okay, this is honestly unbelievable that I can see a skeleton to a stadium already.
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You have to admit, things are going pretty well for that arena. Yet still, there are people who won't know it's built until the Nets actually move in. Like the WTC redevelopment, there's been so much controversy surrounding this project that some have not taken the time to notice that its already well underway.
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Does anybody know if the train yard will be rebuilt under the Arena?
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I do not think there will be any rebuilding of train yards.
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Does anybody know if the train yard will be rebuilt under the Arena?
The tracks were moved or "repositioned" in the first phase.

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I check back on this thread, and Wow... incredible progress.
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Two things here...

1. If the tracks are being repositioned away from the Barclays Center area, why are they building an underground station right in front of the entrance? What will that connect to?

2. Is it just me or does that steel already look 100 years old?
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The tracks were moved or "repositioned" in the first phase.

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Oh I see, Thanks!
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Two things here...

1. If the tracks are being repositioned away from the Barclays Center area, why are they building an underground station right in front of the entrance? What will that connect to?

2. Is it just me or does that steel already look 100 years old?
That's not an new station, its just an new entrance to the subway station that's already there, so people who are going to the Arena won't have to cross Atlantic Ave to get to the subway, it will connect to the Atlantic Ave station on the (2)/(3)/(4) and (5) lines.
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1. If the tracks are being repositioned away from the Barclays Center area, why are they building an underground station right in front of the entrance? What will that connect to?
Question already answered, but let me just add that the tracks that were moved are the "storage" yards for the LIRR.
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Here's a shot of Atlantic Terminal - Brooklyn's Penn Station - just accross the street...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/nyregion/17yards.html

Prefabricated Tower May Rise at Brooklyn’s Atlantic Yards



By CHARLES V. BAGLI
March 16, 2011

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In a bid to cut costs at his star-crossed Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn, the developer Bruce C. Ratner is pursuing plans to erect the world’s tallest prefabricated steel structure, a 34-story tower that would fulfill his obligation to start building affordable housing at the site.

The prefabricated, or modular, method he would use, which is untested at that height, could cut construction costs in half by saving time and requiring substantially fewer and cheaper workers. And the large number of buildings planned for the $4.9 billion Atlantic Yards — 16 in all, not including the Nets arena now under construction — could also make it economical for the company to run its own modular factory, where walls, ceilings, floors, plumbing and even bathrooms and kitchens could be installed in prefabricated steel-frame boxes.

The 34-story building, with roughly 400 apartments, would comprise more than 900 modules that would be hauled to Atlantic Yards, lifted into place by crane and bolted together at the corner of Flatbush Avenue and Dean Street, next to the arena.

Mr. Ratner’s development company, Forest City Ratner, has been investigating modular construction for a year, but has kept its plans secret. MaryAnne Gilmartin, executive vice president of Forest City Ratner, confirmed Wednesday that the company was seriously considering the modular method, although, she added, no final decision had been made.

The company has also continued to design a conventional tower. Forest City hired Ove Arup & Partners, a prominent engineering firm, for the modular work, while SHoP Architects is working on designs for both types of buildings. The developer has also recently directed real estate brokers to scout for sites in Long Island City, Queens, that would be large enough to accommodate the modular factory.

“The company is interested in modular, high-rise construction in an urban setting,” Ms. Gilmartin said. “It’s driven by cost and efficiencies.”

But it would also infuriate the construction workers who were Mr. Ratner’s most ardent supporters during years of stormy community meetings, where they drowned out neighborhood opponents with chants of, “Jobs, jobs, jobs.”

“This is something that could be of great consequence to the building trades,” said Gary La Barbera, president of the Building and Construction Trades Council of Greater New York, an umbrella group for the construction unions. “We have never been supportive of prefab buildings, for obvious reasons.”

After several years of delays, Forest City is under considerable pressure because of the difficulty in obtaining financing for the building and the weak real estate market. Work on the arena began a year ago.

The developer has delayed the start date for the 34-story building, the first of the 16 planned for Atlantic Yards, several times. He now says he hopes to begin by the end of the year. Under an agreement with the state, Forest City must begin excavation by May 2013, or pay up to $5 million in penalties for every year it falls behind.

Affordable-housing advocates, who supported Atlantic Yards because at least 30 percent of the more than 6,000 apartments would be reserved for low-, moderate- and middle-income tenants, have been pressuring the company to start building. But Rafael E. Cestero, the city’s commissioner of housing preservation and development, who had already set aside $14 million to subsidize 150 units in the first building, declined Mr. Ratner’s recent request for an additional $10 million in subsidies.

In pursuit of cutting construction costs, Mr. Ratner and Ms. Gilmartin recently traveled to Europe to talk to builders involved with what is currently the world’s tallest modular building: a 25-story dormitory in Wolverhampton, England, that was built last year in less than 12 months. Mr. Ratner has also become captivated by a YouTube video depicting the assembly of the 15-story Ark Hotel in China in a matter of days.

Modular buildings are not new to New York City. The School Construction Authority has used the technology to build classrooms. Capsys, a modular builder at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, has built steel-frame, prefabricated housing up to seven stories tall in Clinton Hill and East New York, Brooklyn, and on Long Island.

Whether taller modular buildings can be built to withstand intense wind shear and seismic forces, while retaining cost savings, is another question, because the higher a structure is built, the more bracing it would require.

“At a smaller scale, prefab buildings have proven to be more efficient, more sustainable and less expensive,” said Thomas Hanrahan, dean of Pratt Institute’s School of Architecture. “The taller the building, the logistical and structural issues become much more complex.”

Tony Sclafani, a spokesman for the Department of Buildings, said city rules did not prohibit Forest City Ratner from using modular construction on the building. “There’s nothing standing in the way of a prefab building as long as they follow our regulations,” he said.

If it is feasible, Mr. Hanrahan and Ms. Gilmartin of Forest City said that Atlantic Yards is an ideal site because it is large enough for cranes to maneuver. “Industrialized and modular construction is an idea whose time has come,” said the architect James Garrison, who worked briefly on the project.

Modular construction saves time because the building components can be put together at the same time the foundation is being dug, and because the factory is indoors, weather is not a problem. Materials can be bought in greater bulk and stored on-site. More of the work is done horizontally, on the factory floor, rather than vertically, saving the time it would normally take for all the plumbers, carpenters, electricians and others to move up and down the structure every day.

But it is the labor savings that are suddenly worrying some union officials, who were repeatedly asked by Forest City to mobilize their members for years of raucous community meetings.

The state and the city agreed to provide $300 million in direct subsidies for Atlantic Yards, in part, because Forest City insisted that the project would generate “upwards of 17,000 union construction jobs.”

Not to worry, Ms. Gilmartin said, “We’re a union shop, and we build union.”

But under current wage scales, union workers earn less in a factory than they do on-site. A carpenter earns $85 an hour in wages and benefits on-site, but only $35 an hour in a factory.

And while modular construction employs a large number of carpenters, iron workers, who earn as much as $93.88 an hour in pay and benefits, could lose a lot of jobs.

One construction professional, who was familiar with Forest City Ratner’s plans but requested anonymity because he did not want to anger the company, said, “The incentive is to move as much work as possible to the factory from the field.”
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