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Old Posted Oct 23, 2017, 11:52 PM
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I put this in the city discussion high-rise thread, but figured it can be nice food for thought.

Using CTBUH data for proposals. Just an idea. Note that it may not be 100% there, but again, it gives us an idea. For proposals.

I think its safe to say... that the city is doing pretty nice. Lets hope a lot of these become reality as they move through the flurry of soft-cost rubbish to the fun construction stage.

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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 12:02 AM
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Also interesting to note the functionality. City seems to be getting taller and taller residential as opposed to office/commercial being the main source of skyscrapers.

Seems to be a trend that is accelerating. At one point, office/commercial seemed to yield the dominant towers, but it seems to be shifting to residential and in some cases, mixed used with a heavy residential %.
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I put this in the city discussion high-rise thread, but figured it can be nice food for thought.

Using CTBUH data for proposals. Just an idea. Note that it may not be 100% there, but again, it gives us an idea. For proposals.

I think its safe to say... that the city is doing pretty nice. Lets hope a lot of these become reality as they move through the flurry of soft-cost rubbish to the fun construction stage.

As of 10/17/17:


la 10-17 proposal by Christopher Estevez, on Flickr


la 10-17 proposal 2 by Christopher Estevez, on Flickr
According to UrbanizeLA's most recent article re: the Olympia Towers, the heights are 853', 653', 550' from tallest to shortest.

https://urbanize.la/post/three-tower...s-adding-hotel
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Any word on the angels knoll proposals? There was the presentation for the proposals today at 6pm.
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Any word on the angels knoll proposals? There was the presentation for the proposals today at 6pm.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 5:15 AM
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They're all good. Click the article and look at all the renderings guys. As much as I love Omni, I have to give it to MacFarLane. They're at least going 1000+ but in the end I wouldn't be sad with any of the three. I wish the first two were taller though, but 883 and 840 are still tall. The first one would be 3rd tallest. Omni's would be slightly shorter than AON.
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Absolutely love the idea of UCLA opening up a downtown campus, but prefer the Macfarland design overall.
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What happened to MAD proposal?
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 5:48 AM
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Definitely MacFarland. The UCLA tower is just awful, with that huge ass fortress podium. And Onni's blocks is a tired idea whose time has come and gone.
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MacFarland definitely. Though, if I were them I would refine the base to have a little more visual simplicity and cohesiveness. And also, I think the design should be a little more dramatic at the top.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 6:11 AM
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Macfarland should do a slight revision to the top of the tower, aka not flat. Spire or fin an top, just top it either a vertex, also it looks to be on the same visual height as US Bank so it might be tallest in the city as is being proposed but can't really know until they release an official height.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 6:20 AM
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MacFarland hands down. On another note, Two California Plaza is getting its new logo installed.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 6:39 AM
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MACFarland hands down.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 7:26 AM
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Macfarland really should complete the slope of the tower and have the top point be the top of a triangle. Would turn a lovely tower in to a striking one, as well as potentially make it the tallest building in Los Angeles.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 7:27 AM
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I'm not a big fan of the UCLA design or the jenga one.....does the architect realize LA is earthquake country?.....while the macfarland proposal seems the best at ground level. only problem is I don't think their plan or the onni one may be workable unless dtla's economy starts better competing with silicon bch & silicon valley..... among other places locally & nationally where demand for commercial space is quite strong.

that's why maybe only the ucla concept has some potential to be built before the year 2070.....assuming the university really is interested in opening a satellite campus in dt.

however, if the energy across the street continues into the future, & the synergy of that & things like the apt tower proposed for 4th & Hill St goes to the next level, then maybe another ambitious tower on the other side of 4th & hill is viable....


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Grand Central Market: A Look Back at 100 Years

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Los Angeles is a place of perpetual self-reinvention; so it should come as no surprise that the city’s largest and oldest public market, the iconic Grand Central Market, has continually evolved since opening in 1917. Over the decades, the open air market has reflected the ever-changing population and landscape of downtown L.A. with a rotating roster of vendors selling prepared foods and groceries.

Most recently, the market has seen a large new wave of eateries and some grocers, along with a dramatic influx of new customers — so much so that the whole market was named one of the best new restaurants in the U.S. by Bon Appétit in 2014. Like any notable reinvention, the changes have brought both critics and fans alike. So as the market celebrates its centennial this year, we look back at how it has evolved and how those changes reflect the landscape of downtown Los Angeles.

But following World War II, as many affluent downtown residents headed towards new suburbs on expanding freeways, downtown shine began to wane. The Victorian mansions of Bunker Hill became home to low-income renters — to be later demolished for skyscrapers — and Angel’s Flight was shuttered in 1969.

Today, one of the market’s oldest legacy vendors is Tomas Martinez, who owns the perpetually busy stalls Tacos Tumbras and Ana Maria's. “When I first came to the market was 1972, and it was very different, we've seen many changes,” says Martinez. “Before we had a lot of produce and places where people would buy their groceries. And now people come for all of the different vendors who have food from all over.” Martinez adds that there’s also been a shift in demographics in recent years at the market since he opened. “Before we had maybe 80 percent Hispanic people, and now, it's maybe 20 to 25 percent. We see a lot more people from all over. I think it's the most important place in Los Angeles.”

Yellin’s wife Adele — who is now leading the charge for recent developments in the market -- recalls her late husband’s enthusiasm for buying and restoring the market. “It was kind of a radical thing to do — everybody was fleeing downtown, and it was kind of desolate and really difficult,” she explains. “Ira loved the market, and he also had done a lot of work studying urban planning, and knew that old cities needed to reinvent themselves. And here [at the market] in the Historic Core, he just felt that this was the place to start. It was already a gathering place, and he just felt that there aren't many of those in Los Angeles and he loved it and wanted to work on that.”

Initially, Adele Yellin left the responsibilities of running the market to those already in charge of it, but when some of them retired, Adele felt compelled to get involved, beginning in 2011. Yellin notes that while more people were beginning to move back to downtown L.A. and restaurants and bars were springing up, many of the newer and often younger populations, weren’t shopping or eating at Grand Central Market. The vacancy rate at the time was at a low of 45 percent, even some of the legacy vendors were struggling to stay open.

The first tenant selected by the trio was David Tewasart, who opened Sticky Rice, which offers Thai street food specialties using organic and seasonal ingredients. Tewasart, who also operated Soi 7 (recently changed to So Long, Hi) in downtown L.A., says it was a no-brainer when he was asked to open in the market. “I used to drive by Grand Central Market and wonder what was going on in there, and said, 'This is not right. Eventually, that's going to become something super special,' and it never occurred to me that I would be a part of it.”

Tewasart adds that it wasn’t a boon in the market right away. “It was a ghost town during the weekends, there was hardly anyone there,” he says. “You'd have busy lunches, and we were busy at the beginning just because we were a different option.” He also says that many of the older, existing vendors doubted that Sticky Rice would endure, having seen others come and go over the lean years. Many prospective tenants were also wary of signing on to the market, Tewasart says, not convinced of the vision or that enough people would come.

Following Sticky Rice, a string of new vendors opened in relatively quick succession, including G&B Coffee, Valerie Confections, DTLA Cheese, Horse Thief BBQ, Oyster Gourmet, Belcampo Meat Co. and Olio Pizzeria. Tewasart explains there was a sense of camaraderie amongst the aspiring new vendors, many of whom would congregate at his stall. “We used to all hang out at the counter,” he says. “I think that was really important in the beginning because there was a synergy and everybody fed off of it. We just kept on trying to push and push to see how far we could take it.”

Tewasart notes that the major shift in momentum for Grand Central Market that began bringing huge crowds of new customers was the opening of chef Alvin Cailan’s breakfast concept, Eggslut. “Eggslut was the tipping point because they had the massive lines,” he explains. “And everyone would come for them, but they'd come back for everything else, so the exposure was big.” Yellin adds that the busy stall changed the whole dynamic of the market. Suddenly, the century-old marketplace became a buzzy new hotspot, bringing crowds from the neighborhood and much farther afield. The stall that the bustling Eggslut occupies had previously been vacant for ten years.

As newer vendors with often higher-concept food have been added to the market, many have observed that the demographics have shifted from a predominantly working-class Latino customer base to now include a more diverse, and in some cases well-heeled crowd. But while some critics suggest the market is being gentrified, Wexler disagrees, ‘I feel pretty strongly that it's not gentrification.” He explains, “This market had fallen on pretty rough times and was in disrepair. It was largely a Latino market with things at very low prices, which is a very important service to provide for people who are low-income to afford their food and groceries. What it now is, is a subsection of all of Los Angeles, and it had been that for a very long time. And I think there's been a great effort in bringing that back and restoring this place to be ground zero and the center of the conversation that's going on all over the city now, which is, 'What do we want this city to be? What do we want it to look like? What are our communal spaces? How do we relate to each other and what kind of society do we have?' And that's going on here every single day — there are all walks of life here, the place is vibrant, and it's come back.”



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Cheung says the stools at China Cafe’s long red counter still fill with regulars and families that have been coming for generations. He admits he's added a few dishes. “I think because the culture of the building people keep coming,” he says. “They've changed it, but it's still good and lots of people are coming. I'm busier now than I was before the remodel, almost 35 percent more. So we know that the changes are good for everybody.” He also adds that now that Grand Central Market stays open later — 10 p.m. nightly instead of the historic 6 p.m. — they see much more business, though not all the vendors stay open that late. The addition of stalls that serve alcohol likely also helps encourage more customers to linger at the market.



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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 8:05 AM
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The McFarland proposal please! Push it up to 1,350 ft. and cap it with a 200 ft. spire!! :-)
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This lot has Related/ Grand Ave project written all over it. Don't hold your breath on any of these getting built anytime soon.

-Lowe has never built anything over 4 stories tall and UCLA isn't even signed on with them.

-Onni is a monster downtown right now but that has to be Saitowitz's worst design ever, blech. Looks like a Photoshop software glitch and a class action lawsuit nightmare because of it's seizure inducing appearance from ground level.

-MacFarlane has the best street level interaction but those shrinking upper floor plates aren't going to pencil out and they will value engineer this much shorter like they did with Park 5th over time. Also, I highly doubt both of those hotel brands stick, one or both will surely drop out eventually like they did up on Grand.

Sorry to rain on the parade but I'm also a realist when it comes to developers and their financing.

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I'm not fans of any quite honestly. But if I had to choose, then McFarland gets my vote.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 6:14 PM
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I really don't like that blocky proposal. I feel like they look cool now, but will become huge eyesores in the future similar to brutalism projects from the 60's and 70's.

There is nothing wrong with building classic iconic skyscrapers without cutting edge architecture.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2017, 6:31 PM
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I'm not fans of any quite honestly. But if I had to choose, then McFarland gets my vote.
None of them are too inspired. I'd go with Onni just for the sake that they seem the most able to get things built and not turn this into another Related Co. situation where we're waiting 13 years as they ask the city for endless concessions.
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