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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 7:27 PM
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seems longer than that
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 11:57 PM
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The new Broadway Station platform has taken as long to build as it takes to excavate and build a 40-storey high-rise through to occupancy.

Something seems wrong about that.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 12:22 AM
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The construction is pretty specific in design and they have to build around the public using the site.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 12:48 AM
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The new Broadway Station platform has taken as long to build as it takes to excavate and build a 40-storey high-rise through to occupancy.

Something seems wrong about that.
A better perspective is that Phase 1 of the Expo line had a shovel in the ground in March 1982 and the gates opened in December 1985.
In the time it's taken to do this we would of completed roughly 90% of the original SkyTrain network. That's over 20km of guideway, all the infrastructure and 15 goddamn stations from scratch.

So......slow........
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 2:50 AM
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re. the overpass at metrotown, could they just add stairs at the end to appease people for now and at least walking down would be easier since the overpass is still there...
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The construction is pretty specific in design and they have to build around the public using the site.
I don't buy that argument at all...

For example, At Metrotown, it takes them months to complete simple tasks such as pouring concrete for sidewalks and plazas around the station. These sections are completely separated from the public and fenced off.

I can understand that you have to be careful when lifting large structures such as sections of the station roof...but the rest?
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 2:58 AM
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re. the overpass at metrotown, could they just add stairs at the end to appease people for now and at least walking down would be easier since the overpass is still there...
My hope is exactly that. That would explain why they would not have removed it earlier. One of the interim designs of the new station (prior to final design) had exactly this configuration with the stairs coming down eastward on the outside of the station (basically mirroring the escalator indoors).
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The project was given to the lowest bidder. They have better paying jobs to do so they come first before the Translink work.
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^ Makes sense. Good, fast, cheap - you can only pick two.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 5:32 AM
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At least the walkway hasn't collapsed.
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The project was given to the lowest bidder. They have better paying jobs to do so they come first before the Translink work.
Not to mention construction resources are beyond maxed out in Metro Vancouver right now.

Always love to see the armchair project managers come out on these things.
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it would be cool had they used a coloured glass on the escalators like these yellow ones on the new crossrail


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I heard that the entire Broadway/Commercial renovation was hampered by the construction of the new bridge over the rail tracks.

CN didn't allow construction to occur within 1 hour of trains going past, so they were limited to a few hours a day. Because the bridge was going to take so long, the entire project's timeline was slowed to match it.
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A better perspective is that Phase 1 of the Expo line had a shovel in the ground in March 1982 and the gates opened in December 1985.
In the time it's taken to do this we would of completed roughly 90% of the original SkyTrain network. That's over 20km of guideway, all the infrastructure and 15 goddamn stations from scratch.

So......slow........
Standards and regulations back in the day weren't as strict as they are now, and NIMBY's weren't as loud either. Nor was there a lot of political stalling for the purpose of using those projects to get elected or reelected.

Today you gotta study everything down to the quark just to get a permit, and by the time you get the studies mostly done, it's election time and then you gotta do more studies. And maybe even studies for those studies.
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Not to mention construction resources are beyond maxed out in Metro Vancouver right now.

Always love to see the armchair project managers come out on these things.
How come so many projects are much faster? Perhaps they have way better "armchair project managers"?


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I heard that the entire Broadway/Commercial renovation was hampered by the construction of the new bridge over the rail tracks.

CN didn't allow construction to occur within 1 hour of trains going past, so they were limited to a few hours a day. Because the bridge was going to take so long, the entire project's timeline was slowed to match it.
I wonder if they have been doing night shift work in that case, with additional shift-work added on Sundays.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 10:56 PM
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CN Trains run at night, too.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2018, 4:04 AM
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I heard that the entire Broadway/Commercial renovation was hampered by the construction of the new bridge over the rail tracks.

CN didn't allow construction to occur within 1 hour of trains going past, so they were limited to a few hours a day. Because the bridge was going to take so long, the entire project's timeline was slowed to match it.
This appears to line up with what the TransLink Board Report mentions in its financials section about the project: "Variance due to delays in project from increased CN rail traffic in the Grandview Cut."
(Source: page 41)
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Couple the above with (at least now temporarily alleviated) Translink's cashflow problems and CN switching to use this route much more to access Burrard Inlet last year.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 5:03 AM
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the Grandview cut sees trains 24/7. they run on average about 11/12 trains per day through there. of course some days can have up to 20 run through. it is fairly random. on-top of that, these trains average about 90 cars and run slowly. plus they can also stop for awhile.

then there are the VIA Rail trains, Seattle bound trains and Mountaineer as well.
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