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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 6:06 PM
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A lot of great suggestions above.

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I agree. The Alexandra birdge should go. It is an ugly railway bridge. If it were not in the middle of the capital, I would say it is not so bad. But its prominent location makes it an eyesore.
I agree too. And I've often wondered why a more aesthetically pleasing, less obtrusive bridge wasn't built in it's place. A bridge more in line with the one in Rotterdam (I'm assuming this is what the South Keys walkway was going for, but on a smaller scale):


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As per the US Embassy building, I have to agree with Defishel. I don't feel the building is out of place, personally. The aforementioned Portrait Gallery concept that was originally proposed for the space is quite nice, and hope that goes forward at some point. The building next door that housed the Ottawa tourism kiosk, should definitely be fixed up, and that would include the pub next to it too. That corner could use some more permanent activity being directly in front of the parliament buildings.

The tourism kiosk didn't belong in that building anyway; they should build a stand-alone kiosk like the following (either at that corner on Wellington where it once was, the underpass on Rideau/Sussex or somewhere else like Elgin and Laurier, for example):


St. Paul's Information Kiosk [Source]


Tkts booth (New York City) [Source]

Lastly, along Wellington, why can't we have at least one hotel (preferably higher-end) that overlooks Parliament? Is that a security concern?
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 7:07 PM
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WTF!! Why would anyone remove the Alexandra!? It's the only bridge in Ottawa that could be considered a landmark.



By all means, replace this Macdonald-Cartier;



Or the PoW;



I wouldn't mind some work done on the Chaudière. Champlain and Portage are fine as is.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 7:43 PM
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WTF!! Why would anyone remove the Alexandra!? It's the only bridge in Ottawa that could be considered a landmark.



By all means, replace this Macdonald-Cartier;



Or the PoW;



I wouldn't mind some work done on the Chaudière. Champlain and Portage are fine as is.

Oh lord, here we go.

The Alexandra bridge is cheap steel relic. Bridges like these are a dime a dozen in remote areas of Northern Ontario. They are usually rusted out and used by trains. I don't think they quite as unique as you think. Suffice to say you are probably an old fashioned type of guy who thinks good enough is good enough. The kind that thinks a downton core comprised of a sea of 18 storey stubbies is just fine.

The point is the location of the Alexandra. You are right about the other bridges, but that's not the point. The Alexandra is situated in a PRIME location for an iconic bridge. It is the perfect backdrop for the Parliament Buildings, and vice versa. And you think an old iron train bridge lives up to the potential of that location???

Sometimes I think we should rename Ottawa to Fuddyduddytown
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A proper bustling and vibrant waterfront is an obvious one.

I also want a highway going into Gatineau, I'm thinking something along the lines of one ring road that surrounds Ottawa and Gatineau.

The LRT extending to all the suburbs would be nice too. Something that gets us suburban folk downtown quickly and efficiently without hassle.

And I also like OTSkyline's idea of putting a roof or canopy over Sparks, in addition to bringing in proper anchor tenants and chic/luxury stores + restaurants to bring life back to the street. That's one part of Ottawa that's sorely underdeveloped and misused.
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I'm writting a text on the War of Secession, so I can't help but feel like we have to take sides on the Alexandra Bridge. Can't we all be friends?

Aw, screw it. LONG LIVE ALEXANDRA!
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On the Kruger plant site in Gatineau, I would put something like the Jay Pritzker Pavilion at Chicago's Millennium Park for a kickass outdoor concert venue with a view of Parliament Hill. Beside it, I would put another large museum, for example Science and Tech.



Probably off-scale, but most of you know the site to imagine that it could look like this:


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It's a depressing looking structure that conjures up images of harder times.
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The Alexandra bridge is cheap steel relic. Bridges like these are a dime a dozen in remote areas of Northern Ontario.
Yes, by all means, let's tear down the last engineering marvel of the Victorian Age and once one of the longest cantilever bridges in the world, and keep the rusting, ugly, Jean Drapeau Montreal-era bridge next to it!

After all, that one's an NCC vision, and needs protection.

We can call the Alexandra Bridge replacement the 'Eel Pie River-Crosser', in recent Ottawa-history-eradication fashion.

While we're at it, let's tear down that grim, dour, shitty Museum of Nature and Connaught Building as well. Grim, and people suffered back then. Let's leave no visual reminder that the city of Ottawa ever existed before the late 1960s.
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This looks amazing, although I'm sure the NCC would say it's impeding views of Parliament.

By the way, I really appreciate your photo editing skills. Well done!
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1. Re-instate Britannia and Rockcliffe Parks back to their former glory. For example, rebuild the Britannia pier.
I'd never heard of the Britannia Pier. I had to look it up. I'd love to see something like that rebuilt.
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Make Ottawa's waterfronts actually engaging and pedestrian oriented.

Lansdowne/Rideau Canal

For starters, go with the Original Lansdowne Park plans that brought the new urban park right to the waterfront by burying a portion of Queen Elizabeth Drive. However, my plan would deviate slightly and would have a stylistic bridge lead to an artificial island for kayak rentals and the like, as well as space for a few portable food stands in summer, and space for activities in winter when the canal freezes over.

Subsequently, the space between this artificial island and "The Ritz" to the north should be a "focus area" for a type of Boardwalk in Ottawa.

Dow's Lake and Little Italy

This area is crying out for amazing waterfront development. Keep the existing park and edge of the Arboreteum, as these are well-developed and pleasant walking areas. Where the parking lot is, build a performing arts centre (or casino) with substantial underground parking, as well as in the adjacent field that has been earmarked for future development. Put lots of underground parking there as well and you'll have no trouble.

Along the existing docks that run along Prince of Wales, fill the area in with shops and restaurants, creating Little Italy's boardwalk (alongside developing Lansdowne/the Glebe's boardwalk). Build a short and shallow car tunnel east of Preston by the water so that pedestrians need no light to cross from the park to the boardwalk/Dow's Lake Pavillion. This connected park and "Little Italy Boardwalk" makes for a seamless and dynamic Dow's Lake waterfront.

To replace the lost dock space, new docks are build near the Navy Reserve area (another spot ripe for redevelopment/rejuvenation). A landmark pedestrian bridge from my proposed performing arts centre (or casino) could lead directly to these new docks which could accommodate tour boats travelling between downtown and Little Italy. It could also lend to the idea of it being a "thing" to grab dinner on the boat and go to a show/event in Little Italy or at the convention centre downtown. This helps bring people to the water and gives Ottawa a second dynamic canal front that isn't just downtown.

Ottawa River

I sort of liked Gatineau's plan to spruce up the riverfront, but it didn't go far enough. I'd basically combine Gatineau's earlier vision with Kitchissippi's vision of an urban outdoor park/music venue, as well as new landmark museum (hopefully).

I would also like to include Windmill Development's concepts, as these will help create a waterfront in the Chaudiere area. On top of these proposals and ideas, I would attempt to greatly improve the Hull marina, enabling river cruises that would offer fantastic views of many important Ottawa landmarks.

Additionally, I would introduce an almost entirely tourist-based gondola line that would start at the northern end of Bank St. and would send gondolas down to the new park/new museum/Museum of History area, offering great photo opportunities along the way.

All this together would make for a nice, dynamic, and dense Ottawa River waterfront area.


Transit Reform: stop trying to do two different jobs with one transit system

Continue more or less with Watson's transit plan that sees LRT extended to Orleans.

However, change up the plan so that two new O-Train lines are set up. Barrhaven-Tremblay, and Kanata North-Bayview. These new routes along with the existing O-Train become the backbone of a commuter rail/connection system. This way, our suburbs get some form of rail for a relatively affordable cost. The schedules would likely be very reliable, and the trips relatively speedy since there won't be as many stops, as well as there being a dedicated right of way.

The only additional transitway to be converted to LRT would be the SE transitway in order to get to the airport (assuming a redirect and some tunneling for the current O-Train line is too much for city council).

Basically, I'd want it to more or less be like the following:




This way, Ottawa will have dynamic multi-modal transportation. The commuter rail connects various areas and serves the suburbs with an efficient and comfortable ride. LRT connects with areas and but is mainly to help promote more urban living and transit use. The remaining BRT is for less dense areas and to connect people and places to LRT/O-Train.


Doing something fresh with the experimental farm

Devote area of farm constrained by Carling, Holland, the Canal, and Baseline to becoming Ottawa's version of Central Park.

Keep the Arboreteum, museum, and many of the buildings, as well as the driveway that connects Holland to Prince of Wales. Put in a botanical gardens. Convert remaining roads into walkways for pedestrians, and bike paths for cyclists. Have them be well-lit by streetlamps.

Put "Landmark" entrances to the park at Parkdale, Prince of Wales near Dow's Lake, Maple Drive, across from the two skyscrapers along Fisher at the edge of the fields, at the corner of Fisher and Baseline, and at Baseline and Prince of Wales.

Develop section along Carling to include hospital expansion (connected via underground tunnel), as well as some condos and/or assisted living buildings.

With Parkdale being a "Landmark" entrance, Ash Lane should become one of the predominant pathways with lighting, benches, art, and kiosks. The same goes for Maple Drive which should be intensified to accommodate pedestrian traffic, as well as cars making their way to attractions and employment centres around the area. In other words, a far better Sparks Street with a lot more greenery.

Put an artificial lake/reservoir in the SW corner of this new park, and fill the rest in with trees, flowers, and plants from across Canada and the world.

Throughout the park, place numerous and spacious wood and Plexiglas booths/pavilions, that will serve a variety of purposes. In summer, air conditioning and/or shade as well as water fountains provide a respite from the sun, and can be used as information kiosks or "safehouses" if people feel they are in danger at night. In winter, they can provide a break from the cold, as well as the opportunity to do some winter reading without suffering frostbite. Several of the larger ones could and should have a cafe/shop set up so people can relax and have a hot or cold drink, depending on the season. Bike racks/Bixi will also be present to facilitate bike use, lock-up, and storage.

A handful of cafes/restaurants, a merry-go-round, statues, sculptures, and art installations should also be spread around the park.


Parkdale Market: winter version

I love the Parkdale Market, and all the improvements to it and the surrounding park and area. However, it lacks attraction in winter. What I'd love to see is the metal and plastic set up gone, and replaced with a permanent wood (and most likely plastic) set up; most likely pine as its resilient and very "wintery". In winter (working with or around the Christmas tree sales) an outdoor cafe is set up. In the empty booths, portable fireplaces are set up along with benches and chairs so that people can be warm while they enjoy a drink at this outdoor cafe.

Better yet, put a beavertail shack like the one in the Byward Market at the northern edge of the Parkdale Market where there's some space, and in winter convert the Parkdale Market into an outdoor cafe with fireplaces or heaters set up in the wooden Parkdale Market structure I mentioned earlier that I'd like to see.

Cornerstone House of Refuge Apostolic Church

Reconvert this church into a theatre a la Mayfair/Bytowne, but have it cater to more independent films, up and comers, film students, and digital film festivals. It would go great with the "arts district of Ottawa" mission that West Wellington has set out for itself.

City attitudes

We need to stop trying to keep buskers to specific areas, and we need to have more areas around the city like Tech Wall. We also need to ensure that cyclists use the pathways. Often, I've seen cyclists not obeying the rules and being on the pathways, even if they're just a block over.

The city also needs to get itself and the NCC over the concept that a park = trees + grass.


A park that isn't very green but serves an incredible purpose

I've always had this vision of the downtown parking lot bounded by Kent, Albert, and Queen being converted into a very modern park called "Park of the People". At the eastern end along the walls, either an art installation or a digital image board will be up to discourage graffiti. The park would be elevated by several steps, and a water feature/reflecting pool would be in the middle of the park. Some trees with combination planters/benches would dot the perimeter of the park.

However, the purpose of this park is to have statues and information plaques about Canadians who were not politicians or politically motivated (like on Parliament Hill), or were war heroes (like the Valiants near the War Memorial).

This park would be explicitly dedicated to Canadians who invented things, or were famous by virtue of their deeds and accomplishments. For example, we have politicians and political figures grace Parliament Hill, war heroes at the War Memorial, but this "Park of the People" would be for people like Terry Fox, Frederick Banting, Joseph-Armand Bombardier, Norman Bethune, Canadian astronauts, and famous Canadian artists, musicians, writers, etc.

We lack a park like this, and it would be in the core, and would be a tourist attraction as well as help with regards to knowledge of Canadian history and contributions.
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Here's what I'd like to see in Ottawa to make it more of a grandiose capital:

1. Ottawa needs to do a better job with national monuments. I'd want to see a major/iconing monument where the Portage Bridge meets Wellington in Lebreton Flats; something like the war memorial with steps and public space. It wouldn't take up as much area, but cars would have to drive around it similar to the war memorial. Perhaps a roundabout.

2. Build a downtown public square. The space where the war memorial is could've made a great public square but it's way too solemn as a war memorial. The only appropriate place I can think of is the Rideau-Sussex-Colonel By intersection although it's kinda small. I'd include a major monument.

3. Have a downtown public space with international symbols to communicate Ottawa as an international city. There are too many flags of the provinces and territories. At the peacekeeping monument I'd include the flags of the countries where Canada has had a peacekeeping role. I'd make the Garden of the Provinces and Territories into something with an international theme. Commonwealth Park with the flags of Commonwealth nations. The Peace Gardens with the flags of the countries that we have diplomatic relations with.

4. Build a new, bigger, mixed-use pavilion at Dow's Lake; make it a tourist attraction for visitors to the city and a local attraction for the many condo dwellers that are coming to the area. Wouldn't a new pavilion look nice with the new skyline?

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4. Do something with the front lawn of City Hall; it's ugly

5. Restore Strathcona Park to what it used to be

6. Get a water taxi service going
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On the other side, something else could be constructed to fill in that eyesore. I kind of like (not 100%) Cole + Associates Inc.'s idea for the Portrait Gallery that never was. A public outdoor space could be constructed on top to give elevated views of Parliament Hill, even. And I like the idea about learning about our government and such. This addition would be similar in style to the National Archives and the addition to the Bank of Montreal building on O'Connor and Wellington.
Ugh. The modern extension is ass-ugly. Glad it will never see the light of day.
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2. Build a downtown public square. The space where the war memorial is could've made a great public square but it's way too solemn as a war memorial. The only appropriate place I can think of is the Rideau-Sussex-Colonel By intersection although it's kinda small. I'd include a major monument.
No. Downtown has enough stupid pointless open spaces already that no one uses.
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- Extend the O-Train to Hull. (Insert your reasons why this is a bad idea here). Yes, I see your objections, and they are full of utter crap. If they build it, people will use it, at about triple the level forecasted by the consultants. Just build it already.

- Better land-use planning rules. Stop building crap suburbs. Narrower streets, grids and semi-grids, no more curves, no more cul-de-sacs, NO EXCEPTIONS. Commercial and institutional buildings tight to the street line. Learn how to say NO to residential and commercial sprawl-merchants.

- Stop building green space and open space for green space's and open space's sake. Does the space serve a specific set of functions? Does it interact with the urban form around it? No? Then build a building there.

- Tie land use and transit development more closely together. Let the private sector in on the equation, to try and expedite the devlopment or rail-based transit on corridors like Rideau-Montreal before the current timetable of some time in the 24th century. Let a PPP capture LRT-induced increases in tax assessments for a limited period of time as a way of financing it.

- Develop an URBAN neighbourhood at the CFB Rockcliffe site, not more suburban crap, and tie the development to an east-end LRT.

- At some point, it would be nice to have a hospital somewhere downtownish, like most other major cities do.

- Vancouver rules for more downtown buildings. No more blank walls or functionally blank walls like Shoppers Drug Mart's non-window windows.

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- Better land-use planning rules. Stop building crap suburbs. Narrower streets, grids and semi-grids, no more curves, no more cul-de-sacs, NO EXCEPTIONS. Commercial and institutional buildings tight to the street line. Learn how to say NO to residential and commercial sprawl-merchants.
Last night, I was listening to the recording from the recent Transportation Committee meeting... City staff explained that snow removal from narrow streets with buildings that have very little setback from the lot line, are one of the most expensive configurations. The cost difference is in the millions!

To avoid more sprawl, I would rather advocate for taller buildings (in appropriate locations) with smaller footprints. I would agree about preferring grid-like streets.

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- At some point, it would be nice to have a hospital somewhere downtownish, like most other major cities do.
Wouldn't having a hospital on either side of downtown (near Dow's lake in the West, and near Smyth and Riverside) already be a good alternative?
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For the narrow streets vs. snowclearing issue, there's a simple solution: a green strip between the street and the sidewalk where snow can be dumped in the winter without turning the street into an Indy-5000 megastrip when it melts.

Also, there are creative solutions to melting the snow as it accumulates, such as capturing the heat from sewage pipes and buildings and routing it under road surfaces to heat it to just over 0 C.
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For the narrow streets vs. snowclearing issue, there's a simple solution: a green strip between the street and the sidewalk where snow can be dumped in the winter without turning the street into an Indy-5000 megastrip when it melts.
And frequently remind the plow operators to actually put the snow there! Much of Ogilvie rd has that strip of grass (up to 2m wide in some places) and despite that the bike lanes are still mostly snow banks!
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1. Ottawa needs to do a better job with national monuments. I'd want to see a major/iconing monument where the Portage Bridge meets Wellington in Lebreton Flats; something like the war memorial with steps and public space. It wouldn't take up as much area, but cars would have to drive around it similar to the war memorial. Perhaps a roundabout.
A six lane roundabout... I don't think Ottawa is ready for that. But I find that intersection actually works pretty well in its current Y configuration. And a monument/icon there might be a bit redundant as there's already the Garden of The Provinces nearby.
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A six lane roundabout... I don't think Ottawa is ready for that. But I find that intersection actually works pretty well in its current Y configuration. And a monument/icon there might be a bit redundant as there's already the Garden of The Provinces nearby.
A monument at Lebreton Flats should celebrate Canada's forestry and lumber industry.
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A monument at Lebreton Flats should celebrate Canada's forestry and lumber industry.
Ooh, yes!

We could also have something like a log flume. You get firsthand experience of being a log driver by jumping from log to log in the river and guiding it with your pole. That would never happen, but it would an interesting experience for people visiting the area.
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