Peace Bridge | 131 Meter Span | Completed - Page 104

frinkprof · #**2061** Posted **Mar 15, 2012, 5:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by TallBob

According to the Herald poll taken today, it doesn't look like the bridge opening ceremonies are going to be high on peoples to do list for that particular day!

At least among those who visit the Herald website and self-select themselves to care enough to answer a poll question.

Bigtime · #**2062** Posted **Mar 15, 2012, 12:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by TallBob

According to the Herald poll taken today, it doesn't look like the bridge opening ceremonies are going to be high on peoples to do list for that particular day!

How many people attend the opening of a new overpass/underpass/section of road?

There will DEFINITELY be more people at the Peace bridge opening than that.

It's a stupid poll question and only exists to further peoples pre-conceived notions of the bridge (which are mainly based on the process and not the structure itself).

You Need A Thneed · #**2063** Posted **Mar 15, 2012, 1:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

How many people attend the opening of a new overpass/underpass/section of road?

There will DEFINITELY be more people at the Peace bridge opening than that.

It's a stupid poll question and only exists to further peoples pre-conceived notions of the bridge (which are mainly based on the process and not the structure itself).

Yup. Even if 1% of Calgarians showed up at the party, it would be a huge success.

suburbia · #**2064** Posted **Mar 15, 2012, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

Yup. Even if 1% of Calgarians showed up at the party, it would be a huge success.

I think them getting some of the larger festival users of the island out to the opening may make an impact, as there will be some buzz via those groups for people to show up and support. Food trucks always help also!

Ramsayfarian · #**2065** Posted **Mar 16, 2012, 8:23 PM**

Nice to see that veterans and our soldiers have such a prominent role in the opening celebrations for the Peace Bridge.

http://www.calgarycitynews.com/

DizzyEdge · #**2066** Posted **Mar 16, 2012, 8:40 PM**

I wish they would just change the name already..

Ramsayfarian · #**2067** Posted **Mar 16, 2012, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

I wish they would just change the name already..

Same.

Ramsayfarian · #**2068** Posted **Mar 17, 2012, 6:15 PM**

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/co...379/story.html

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

""You can get a fixed-price contract only if the goods delivered are what they're supposed to be," Smith said."

Is it just me or is this comment from the City Transportation general manager a little disturbing?

Logan referred to the company's extensive number of city contracts as he said Graham shouldn't come after the city for more public dollars. "They know the situation," Logan told the Herald. "Graham and the city have worked together for a long time, so I'm sure that they're considering their longterm working relationship, as well as this project."

I think I've said it here before and I'll say it again. Graham is going to hide any cost overruns on this project into other work it does for the City. I bet they've already got the ok to do it.

It's not all negative, as I'm pretty sure they speak to a forum runner in the article.

Calgarian · #**2069** Posted **Mar 17, 2012, 6:42 PM**

I don't think the City or Graham should be responsible for the over runs to the budget, it should be the welding company in Spain that fucked up that should have to pay the extra.

Ramsayfarian · #**2070** Posted **Mar 17, 2012, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

I don't think the City or Graham should be responsible for the over runs to the budget, it should be the welding company in Spain that fucked up that should have to pay the extra.

I think it depends on who signed off on the fabrication. Those defects should have been caught back in Spain. Ones bargaining power gets a tad better when the bridge is still sitting int their shop and you haven't paid yet.

Graham will eat the cost for now and we'll pay it later in other cost overruns.

You Need A Thneed · #**2071** Posted **Mar 17, 2012, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

I think it depends on who signed off on the fabrication. Those defects should have been caught back in Spain. Ones bargaining power gets a tad better when the bridge is still sitting int their shop and you haven't paid yet.

Graham will eat the cost for now and we'll pay it later in other cost overruns.

Graham bids on work to the city. Pretty hard to cover losses by adding them on to other projects when you are competing against other contractors for contracts.

Ramsayfarian · #**2072** Posted **Mar 17, 2012, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

Graham bids on work to the city. Pretty hard to cover losses by adding them on to other projects when you are competing against other contractors for contracts.

Not every contract is fixed bid. Over the years, they'll recoup their losses.

You Need A Thneed · #**2073** Posted **Mar 18, 2012, 5:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

Not every contract is fixed bid. Over the years, they'll recoup their losses.

It really doesn't work that way.

suburbia · #**2074** Posted **Mar 18, 2012, 6:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

Not every contract is fixed bid. Over the years, they'll recoup their losses.

As the burden of proof lies with you, we'll have to assume otherwise till you can actually demonstrate this.

Ramsayfarian · #**2075** Posted **Mar 18, 2012, 7:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

As the burden of proof lies with you, we'll have to assume otherwise till you can actually demonstrate this.

I'll keep you posted.

Not sure why people think this is such an impossibility.

If the Peace Bridge can get started because of the whim of one official at City Hall, it isn't going to be that difficult to pay Graham back for taking one for the team.

Even if I am talking out of my ass and this is an impossibility, doesn't anyone else find Logan's comments in that article almost threatening?

"Logan referred to the company's extensive number of city contracts as he said Graham shouldn't come after the city for more public dollars. "They know the situation," Logan told the Herald. "Graham and the city have worked together for a long time, so I'm sure that they're considering their longterm working relationship, as well as this project."

5seconds · #**2076** Posted **Mar 18, 2012, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

I'll keep you posted.

Not sure why people think this is such an impossibility.

If the Peace Bridge can get started because of the whim of one official at City Hall, it isn't going to be that difficult to pay Graham back for taking one for the team.

Even if I am talking out of my ass and this is an impossibility, doesn't anyone else find Logan's comments in that article almost threatening?

"Logan referred to the company's extensive number of city contracts as he said Graham shouldn't come after the city for more public dollars. "They know the situation," Logan told the Herald. "Graham and the city have worked together for a long time, so I'm sure that they're considering their longterm working relationship, as well as this project."

I read the comment as the city putting Graham on notice, that if they try to push for more than the agreed upon price, the city might just not go with Graham for new jobs. I don't know what the profit margins are like on most jobs, but Graham might be better off to swallow the over runs on the bridge, rather than pushing for the money, and losing out on future contracts.

Bigtime · #**2077** Posted **Mar 19, 2012, 3:28 PM**

Some nerdy forumer in this new article on the Peace Bridge by Jason Markusoff:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...565/story.html

Wooster · #**2078** Posted **Mar 19, 2012, 3:38 PM**

Nice work there Aaron. I love the bit about the SSP self-mocking of "latte sipping elitists".

Funny that's in a newspaper article.

Bigtime · #**2079** Posted **Mar 19, 2012, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Nice work there Aaron. I love the bit about the SSP self-mocking of "latte sipping elitists".

Funny that's in a newspaper article.

The real beauty is that one of the first comments on the article uses the term. It's like they didn't even read the article (of course the didn't, they just saw "Peace bridge" and came out with the same old tired vitriol).

I specifically wanted to mention how that term has become more of a self-referential joke, definitely nothing that "hurts" us.

That and my point about just looking at the bridge now for what it is, and have an opinion on the actual structure that has nothing to do with all the backdoor bullshit that we all acknowledge was stupid.

Bigtime · #**2080** Posted **Mar 19, 2012, 6:17 PM**

Just got an email from the guy doing the Peace Bridge shirts that made the news a few weeks back. They are done and ready for pickup! Can't wait!