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Old Posted Oct 25, 2007, 12:21 AM
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Time to Move to the Suburbs? Homogeneous cities making the cul de sac the new dwnt

Here is an interesting article.
I tell you, the city is always getting dumped on

Now you don't need to live in the city anymore. The suburbs have everything downtown has for you

It does bring up a good point though, that are cities are pushing out everyone, and causing our central cities to become bland and not have the exciting mix.
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Is it Time to Move to the Suburbs?
Homogeneous cities are making the cul de sac the new downtown.

It can start with a stolen car stereo or an upstairs neighbor who sounds like Lord of the Dance. Often it’s the birth of a child that does it. Sometimes it’s just the smells—other people’s cooking, other people’s garbage, other people.

For Mike Marusin, it was “Jump Around” that drove him from the city to the suburbs once and for all.

“I was in a one-bedroom on the North Side of Chicago and these young guys moved in next door and started blasting House of Pain at all hours. I thought, ‘Wouldn’t it be nice to have a little space from all this?’”

And so, five years ago Marusin, then in his late twenties, did what a surprising number of otherwise intelligent, mall-averse Americans are starting to do. He relocated to the land of the cul de sac, the garden gnome, and the 4,500-square-foot starter house. “I didn’t fit the profile of the lawn-obsessed, Escalade-driving suburbanite,” says Marusin, a website developer who drives a Prius and now lives in cushy Naperville, Illinois, with his wife, Liz, an interior designer. “But staying in the city—it was beginning to kill us.”

To say all the cool people are moving to the ’burbs would be an overstatement. For hard-core city types, the idea of settling in suburbia is a death sentence. Life without 24-hour Thai delivery, backstage passes to the Buckethead show, and the occasional Stan Brakhage retrospective is hardly a life at all.

But in the past decade, the distinction between city and suburb has become blurred. “Commuter towns” in places like northern New Jersey, the eastern shore of Seattle’s Lake Washington, and Orange County, California—once considered cultural Siberia—are now filled with work-from-home hipsters who care about things like independent cinema and what Arianna Huffington has to say. Long-ignored suburban outposts are being rebuilt with cool arts facilities and retro-chic cafés. In short, the things we always thought we needed cities for—decent sesame noodles, fabulous eyewear, lesbians—are now available where once there were only Aunt Goldie and her mahjong group. At the same time, America’s cities are becoming perversely suburban. Downtowns are being sanitized by wealthy residents who are pricing out the stragglers and bringing in block after block of Equinoxes, Starbucks, and Jamba Juices (behold the plan to open a Crocs shop in New York’s SoHo).

“From a cultural standpoint, cities are becoming less interesting and the suburbs are increasingly where the action is,” says Joel Kotkin, author of The City: A Global History. “Partly because of the freedom the Internet gives us, but also because cities have become homogenized, inhospitable, and expensive beyond belief, people now live by the ethos of ‘everywhere a city,’ even if they’re in an outer ring, an outer-outer ring, or beyond.”

Since 1950, more than 90 percent of growth in U.S. metropolitan areas has occurred in the ’burbs. That outward push accounts for the millions of tract homes on postage-stamp parcels of land that housed the baby boomers and their kids. But what those numbers don’t reveal is how America’s suburbs are maturing and, dare we say, becoming more inviting.

After decades of living in New York and L.A., Dade Hayes, an editor and author, recently did the unthinkable: He bought a house in Larchmont, New York, a mile from where he grew up. “When I was a kid, Larchmont was a sleepy town where the most interesting restaurant was probably Charlie Brown’s,” he says. “Now there are late-night martini bars, a singles scene, an indie movie house a town over—and all without the glorious urine stench you get in Manhattan.”

Once upon a time, the best you could hope for in suburbia was a coffee shop that spelled espresso without an x. Now some of the best food in Boston, for instance, actually comes from Food Network star Ming Tsai’s Blue Ginger restaurant in suburban Wellesley. Formerly vapid Costa Mesa, California, is now, according to a recent article in the New York Times, “a cultural beacon, with a gleaming concert hall, art galleries and theater stages that have become breeding grounds for Broadway.” In the river towns north of Manhattan, one can spend a day at the Dia:Beacon galleries, surrounded by works by Richard Serra and Donald Judd, before attending a forum on poststructuralism at the Hudson Valley Writers’ Center in Sleepy Hollow. Which is not to downplay the sophisticated good times unfolding in new “anti-suburbs” like Hercules, California, a reinvented San Francisco bedroom community that recently banned Wal-Mart in an effort to preserve what media critic and author Douglas Rushkoff calls “the sanctity of local reality.” Then there’s Wilton Manors, outside Fort Lauderdale, a mostly gay suburb that is the second city in the United States to have a gay majority on the city council.

“Much of what’s driving the exodus of hypereducated, interesting people from cities is economic,” says Rushkoff, who recently abandoned his beloved Brooklyn “space” for upstate New York. His move was prompted by his becoming a parent. In an urban landscape where even squalid apartments go for $1,000 a square foot and private preschools cost as much as Harvard’s tuition did a generation ago, it’s hard to live a grown-up life with style. “The converted warehouses and districts you’d want to live in have been taken over by stockbrokers and other drones nobody wants to spend five minutes with,” Rushkoff says. “You have to choose: Do I want to live in a cool place and work my ass off or do I want to live a great life somewhere else?”

The model of the city as patchwork, which so many urban dwellers see as a point of pride, is quickly becoming a relic of the past. “When you have Crate & Barrel and Whole Foods on every other corner, you don’t have the same sense of place, the sense that this block is distinct from that block, the way you did even 20 years ago,” Kotkin says. “The real diversity now is in suburban strip malls, where those who aren’t super-wealthy have been displaced and where you now find an East Indian barber next to a Persian grocer next to a young guy from a good East Coast college who’s selling earth-friendly furniture. And all that is next to the coolest Hindu temple you’ve ever seen.”

To be clear, this is not a blanket endorsement of suburbia. Throw a dart at an American subdivision and you’re likely to find spiritually desperate mall devotees or at least a pack of sullen teens driving around in Daddy’s Hummer. But for every Sam’s Club shopper or Curves gym regular, there’s also someone out there redefining what it means to live a suburban life. Across America, towns and sometimes just tracts within towns are being rebuilt and reclaimed in all sorts of novel ways, and those developments hint at what future suburbs might look like.

The tech-minded populace of Bellevue, Washington, near Seattle, turned that dull stretch into an eco-hipster Eden with 2,700 acres of new parkland. On the fringes of Boulder, Colorado, the new Main Street North district converted an abandoned drive-in theater into a funky hood full of restaurants, shops, and affordable houses you’d actually want to live in. Then there are the communities within suburban communities that draw Dwell-reading design snobs (that magazine, by the way, is about to publish its first-ever suburbia issue), like the meticulously rehabbed fifties tract homes east of Los Angeles and San Francisco designed by Joseph Eichler, George and Robert Alexander, and other fussed-over architects. “Once your house has some architectural appeal and your neighbors care about aesthetics, it raises the experience above suburbia,” says Paul Costa, who lives in an Eichler home in Sunnyvale, Calfornia, and rides his Segway to work at nearby Apple, where he designs iMacs. “Suburbia,” he says, “is a state of mind. It’s as cool as you want it to be.”

In fact, in the not-so-distant future, suburbs might be all about the mind-set. One concept spreading through urban-renewal circles is to develop communities from scratch for like-minded citizens in conventional subdivisions in suburban areas. Robert McIntyre, an urban planner from Austin, Texas, devised this concept of “new villages,” where jobs, food, water, and energy would all come from within the community. “Most of these towns will be small, located near cities, and resemble the dispersed agricultural villages that were common in the 1700s,” McIntyre says. In other words, suburbs might just go back to where we all started: the city. That’s good news for urbanistas. If nothing else, towns like those might create a little more room for those of us who aren’t budging from our rent-controlled fifth-floor walk-ups.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2007, 12:26 AM
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CITIES ARE THE NEW SUBURBS. Top suburbs to flee to

The following list has to do with the other article talking about how suburbs are the new hip place while cities turn into boring bland suburbs.
Anyway here are the top suburbs listed in the article to escape to, to get the city culture again, now that our inner cities are all corporate chains



CITIES ARE THE NEW SUBURBS
Is your local hardware store now a branch of Jamba Juice? Here’s where to flee.

TOP SUBURBS

THE CITY: CHICAGO
THE ESCAPE: NAPERVILLE
Naperville, 30 miles west of Chicago, has the character—innovative restaurants, independent shops, fairs and festivals—that the city has started to lose.


THE CITY: LOS ANGELES
THE ESCAPE: MONTROSE
Set in the foothills of the San Gabriel and Verdugo mountains, Montrose is just 20 minutes by car from downtown L.A. It feels more like a small town than a suburb—albeit one with a nationally recognized wine and cheese shop, Goudas & Vines.



THE CITY: NEW YORK
THE ESCAPE: COLD SPRING
An hour from Grand Central on the Metro-North railroad, Cold Spring has panoramic views of the Hudson River, good restaurants, downshifting creative types from the city, and proximity to the vibrant art scene of Beacon.



THE CITY: SAN FRANCISCO
THE ESCAPE: MILL VALLEY
Mill Valley: Across the Golden Gate, 10 minutes north of San Francisco, you’ll find a renowned farmer’s market, outdoor tai chi classes, redwoods, and canyons—and not a Gap store in sight.



THE CITY: WASHINGTON, D.C.
THE ESCAPE: TAKOMA PARK, MARYLAND
Takoma Park, Maryland, one of Washington’s first suburbs, is more affordable than other neighborhoods and has a great variety of restaurants. It’s a little crunchy, but it’s hard to argue with the well-regarded schools and impressive music and arts festivals.


THE CITY: BOSTON
THE ESCAPE: WALTHAM
Twenty minutes west of Boston, Waltham is home to Brandeis University and has the sophistication of a college town without Boston’s hordes of overserved undergraduates. The restaurants around Moody Street provide city-quality offerings.
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Old Posted Oct 25, 2007, 12:37 AM
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Waltham is actually quite nice: it has multiple MBTA Commuter stops, MBTA bus service, and Census tracts over 15,000 pp sq mile downtown. Minus the large business parks that lord over I-95, this is a classic inner-ring burb.
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for Toronto i say Mississauga.

You can actually work and live there and its not to suburban really with decent public transit and and its close to downtown.
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THE CITY: CHICAGO
THE ESCAPE: NAPERVILLE
Naperville, 30 miles west of Chicago, has the character—innovative restaurants, independent shops, fairs and festivals—that the city has started to lose.

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i recently saw a clip about a segment on Today or Dateline or one of those news programs. It proclaimed that suburbs are where the action is, and people are leaving "uncool" center cities for hip, action filled, diverse burbs. There is maybe a glimmer of truth in this, as many of our cities are becoming exclusive enclaves for the wealthy. And by extension possibly more sanitized, boring, and chainified?

I don't know where this push to hype suburban living is coming from. To me the city, while expensive and noisy, is still the place to be. There aren't grand public plazas, reclaimed international waterfronts, historic art deco high rise architecture, or world class art museums in any detroit suburbs i know of.
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Costa Mesa is pretty cool, big hipster scene, loads of independent shops and cafes, a plethora of "ethnic" restaurants and food stores. Not more so than the trendy parts of LA tho, and not all of the OC is like that, though there's a lot of ethnic and cultural diversity, especially in northern OC, arabs in anaheim, vietnamese in garden grove and so on.
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I guess people will not venture into the city anymore.

Kinda sad people just want to stick to one pocket though. For me, living in the city is using all it has to offer. Not just staying in one suburb with a couple restaurants.

The the city is more then just restaurants and bars. I do way more in the city that does not involve restaurants or martini bars.

It does bring up an issue that we need to address the sanitization of our cities.
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Suburbia makes sense for people at a certain life stage...ie having school age kids.

In some respects its easier to live in suburbia as work is closer, and there is more basic convienience shopping close at hand.

In a sense suburbia..at least here in Dayton..mimics what one would have found in the city 40 or 50 years ago...shopping, barbers, cleaners, restaurants, work, etc.

The city is an economic & social desert now, and one just goes there to "play"..ie performing arts, festivals, live music, museum.

In terms of diversity, a city that is half (Poor)white and hafl (mostly poor) black isnt very diverse. Here one sees the new immigrants (mostly from asia, but some from Mexico, too) choosing to live in the suburbs, and black folk who can make the move are doing that too.

So the suburbs are more racially and ethnically diverse than the city, and are becoming more economically diverse, too.
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well, in montreal this isn't really the case. i don't know about tampa or whatever.
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yes, I believe things vary from city to city.

In a city like Toronto (which I have visited) one would want to live in the city as it has all the basics close at hand. It seems it would be convenient to live in-town in Toronto (also a good mass transit system).
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Costa Mesa is pretty cool, big hipster scene, loads of independent shops and cafes, a plethora of "ethnic" restaurants and food stores. Not more so than the trendy parts of LA tho, and not all of the OC is like that, though there's a lot of ethnic and cultural diversity, especially in northern OC, arabs in anaheim, vietnamese in garden grove and so on.
Los Angeles suburbs are very culturally diverse and I would bet Orange County is more diverse than most the country.
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Joel Kotkin is a retard.
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THE CITY: CHICAGO
THE ESCAPE: NAPERVILLE
Naperville, 30 miles west of Chicago, has the character—innovative restaurants, independent shops, fairs and festivals—that the city has started to lose.


LOL yeah that pretty much discredits the whole thing. Haha.
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I think one of the main draws of the city has been the ability to ditch your car. Sure, the influx of former-suburbanites and wealthy people can homogenize an inner city, and maybe the suburbs have become more 'interesting' lately in terms of diversity, but I'm glad I don't have to jump in my car every time I need a gallon of milk. Auto-oriented, 40-mi/hr, 6-lane roads with strip malls will never be enticing just b/c they have multicultural businesses. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great the 'burbs are diversifying -- but pedestrian-oriented, transit/ecofriendly cities are the way to go.
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Doesn't Naperville have an actual Main Street with shops? I mean yeah it's surrounded by horrible sprawl, but I thought there was a real town in the middle of it.
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I have to wonder, in a wealthy post industrial society, will long-term urban planning find itself at the mercy of stupid lifestyle fads

or has it always been that way?
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Doesn't Naperville have an actual Main Street with shops? I mean yeah it's surrounded by horrible sprawl, but I thought there was a real town in the middle of it.
Yes. It has a street about half a mile long. The other zillion square miles are typical postwar suburbia.

I would say that this article sets a new standard for stupidity on this website, but someone will probably post something even more inane before I finish typing this post.
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So what cities in America are Homogenized? Other than Portland and maybe Seattle (although less so), I can't think of one.
NYC 35% white
LA 29% white
Chicago 31% white
Washington 32% white
San Francisco 44% white
Boston 50% white
Philadelphia 39% white
Dallas 29% white
Houston 28% white
Atlanta 35% white
Miami 10% white
Detroit 8% white

Maybe you mean homogenized in terms of income, but then again don't see it....
By white I mean Non-Hispanic White
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The presence (or non presence) of non-Hispanic whites doesn't say much about diversity. Detroit being 8% white doesn't say much; the important fact is that the overwhelmingly majority of the population is not only black, but native-born African American.

It's a laugh when college/grad school reviews (like US News and World Report) compile "diversity indeces" (translation: % of racial and ethnic minorities): an HBCU (Historically Black College / University) often has a "diversity index" score of 95.

Often a suburb (or college, for that matter) that is 85% "minority" and 15% non-Hispanic white
(example: many suburbs south of Atlanta that are majority African-American with a small white minority)
..is MUCH less diverse than a suburb that is 50% "minority" and 50% non-Hispanic white
(example: areas of Orange County, CA that are 50% non-Hispanic white, 10% black, 20% Hispanic, 20% Asian)
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