Pattullo Bridge Discussion: Upgrades/Replacement | U/C

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by flipper316

Yea no thanks. Keep the tolls. Let people vote with their time and wallets and let them have a choice .

You must have voted Green then because both the Libs and NDP campaigned on reduced or no tolls at all. That equates to 84 of 87 seats. People who voted for either of these 2 parties can't complain if they keep their election promises. If you don't like the promises, don't vote for them.

[deasine]

As much as it is an on-going topic and that there are expected impacts to the future of transportation projects such as this, please avoid exerting your political views on this and other Transport threads.

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by deasine

As much as it is an on-going topic and that there are expected impacts to the future of transportation projects such as this, please avoid exerting your political views on this and other Transport threads.

I am not exerting any political views. I am not associated with any political party nor support any parties. Transportation issues are inseparably tied to politics because of funding but I will try to focus just on the transportation issues.

[khalil1011]

Would it be possible to build the new Patullo Bridge in a similar, but better structural style as the current one?

I think this is a good idea, as the bridge design is a important historical symbol for the, "Royal City", instead of a cable stayed bridge. Maybe even a cantilevered bridge.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by khalil1011

Would it be possible to build the new Patullo Bridge in a similar, but better structural style as the current one?

I think this is a good idea, as the bridge design is a important historical symbol for the, "Royal City", instead of a cable stayed bridge. Maybe even a cantilevered bridge.

The problem is costs. Translink will specify the requirements (not the type of span), and the contractor will develop the cost cost effective plan. I don't think anyone wants to pay considerably more money just for a different style of bridge if cable stayed is the cheapest.

For an example, look at Golden Ears Bridge. Before it went out to contractors for design, it was shown in the papers and online as going to be similar to the Mission Bridge design, but then when it came to actually designing it, the extradosed version was chosen instead due to costs.

It's true that arch bridges are still built, but in those cases, governments are choosing the more expensive options because of perceived aesthetic value.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Also, cable stay and suspension bridge generally seem to have the best seismic capabilities.

[dharper]

Construction on the new bridge is suppose to start in 2019.
The new bridge is suppose to open by 2023.
With mobility pricing years away, and the only significant new revenue being talked about, something tells me these dates are going to be pushed back again.

[Pinion]

When there was talk of Lions Gate bridge being replaced in the 90s they said the new one had to be cable stayed and that turned off a lot of people. I think they look great.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Pinion

When there was talk of Lions Gate bridge being replaced in the 90s they said the new one had to be cable stayed and that turned off a lot of people. I think they look great.

I agree, yet, IMO, there is a sort of design "cousinship" with suspension bridges. (and of course, so many legendary suspension bridges to name, but this is now.) Great Pix, thnx Coconut!

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by Pinion

When there was talk of Lions Gate bridge being replaced in the 90s they said the new one had to be cable stayed and that turned off a lot of people. I think they look great.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I agree, yet, IMO, there is a sort of design "cousinship" with suspension bridges. (and of course, so many legendary suspension bridges to name, but this is now.) Great Pix, thnx Coconut!

i do think it would be a mistake to put a bridge next to the Lions Gate if it isn't a suspension bridge. you run the risk of taking way from the iconic structure.

ideally, i would prefer a duplicate in height, style, colour, etc so the bridges go hand in hand; such as a pair of gloves being the same, or a pair of socks.

if the bridge wasn't directly next to it, then i do think a cable stayed brdige would work; such as if it was at Brockton Point.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by dharper

Construction on the new bridge is suppose to start in 2019.
The new bridge is suppose to open by 2023.
With mobility pricing years away, and the only significant new revenue being talked about, something tells me these dates are going to be pushed back again.

They still don't have funding for that, for LRT, or Millenium extension. Politician's just talking out of their ass as always. Wake me up when construction actually starts.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by dharper

Construction on the new bridge is suppose to start in 2019.
The new bridge is suppose to open by 2023.
With mobility pricing years away, and the only significant new revenue being talked about, something tells me these dates are going to be pushed back again.

Mobility pricing will never happen. People don't want their movements tracked

[Nites]

Some renders on the Daily Hive. Yawn.




http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/new-p...ew-westminster

[libtard]

Wow look at all that space for pedestrians. Bike lanes and walking lanes seperated. Meanwhile the cars can't even get a damn shoulder. We can do better than this

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Mobility pricing will never happen. People don't want their movements tracked

Really? The Apple and Google generation really don't want their movements tracked?

That argument worked once upon a time, but it's rapidly loosing its credence.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Really? The Apple and Google generation really don't want their movements tracked?

That argument worked once upon a time, but it's rapidly loosing its credence.

Yes, all smart phones track all your movements within a few meters.

[s211]

Originally Posted by libtard

Wow look at all that space for pedestrians. Bike lanes and walking lanes seperated. Meanwhile the cars can't even get a damn shoulder. We can do better than this

The end of your sentence looks cut off. I think you meant to finish it with "almost everywhere else in the world".

[trofirhen]

I'm wondering if that render for the new Patullo, as posted in the HIVE, is the finalized design. Hope as hell surely not.
As forumers imply, the other bridges cited all had shoulders, and these are vital if a vehicle has to pull over be it a flat tire, or a smoking engine.
Perhaps bringing this issue to the attention of whoever is reponsible for designing and building this, might be pursuitworthy. No shoulders elevate the danger factor so much.
One can easily imagine an event where a vehicle dysfunction, depending on the problem, could cause not only a massive backup, but even a chain reaction smashup.
Let's not have daddy bridge's ghost haunting the new Patullo.

[EastVanMark]

Remember where you live.

Only here would they replace a too small old bridge with a NEW too small bridge

[libtard]

For a metro full of large bridges we make them shockingly hard for first responders to navigate